Scale on ECM Synchronika with RO water?

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sbenyo

#1: Post by sbenyo »

I am using ECM Synchronika for about a year. I always used RO water with simple Rpavlis recipe: 0.35g potassium bicarbonate with 4 liter. TDS is ~70.
I recently checked the mushroom and this is what I got.

Does it mean there is scale build? Should I be worried?
If it is scale, what am I doing wrong?

The only thing I did not check is what happens to the water after they are sitting in the tank for some time. It may be that water will be sitting for a few days or even a week+.




Nunas
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#2: Post by Nunas »

Using your fingernail, can you easily scratch the "scale"? I quote the word scale, because to me what I see is a deposit that may not be scale. It may be semantics, but to me, "scale" is a hard deposit, created by specific hardness minerals, most often magnesium and calcium. It takes acid to get it off. You may have some soft deposits from adding other chemicals to your RO water. Also, the amount of deposit is not very much. Bottom line, I wouldn't worry about it.

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BaristaBoy E61

#3: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

I believe your mushroom is stainless steel. You should have no big worries. Just clean of the scale and use non-scaling water.

You should be fine.
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sbenyo (original poster)

#4: Post by sbenyo (original poster) »

This is correct. It's stainless steel. Thanks for reassuring I should not worry.

I will try to clean it. Just to know, is there any reason it happens and any way to avoid it?
I hope the boiler which is also stainless steel, is not affected in any way.

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BaristaBoy E61

#5: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

Poor quality scaling water is the cause & good quality non-scaling is the antidote.
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sbenyo (original poster)

#6: Post by sbenyo (original poster) »

Not sure I understand. Is the RO system not working as expected?

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#7: Post by Nunas replying to sbenyo »

This is easy to test, using a cheap TDS meter of the kind used for aquariums. I have an older version of this one https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07QCSVKXY/ With moderately hard water, one can expect a TDS of about 5 to 10 ppm. Our water is quite hard (~250 to 275 ppm) and my RO system produces product water from about 12 to 25 ppm. Again, from what I've seen on your post, I wouldn't worry about a thing. Put your Synchronika back together and enjoy.

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sbenyo (original poster)

#8: Post by sbenyo (original poster) »

Thanks. My RO has an input/output TDS meter that shows 18ppm output. It is quite amazing as the input shows 400+.
After I add potassium bicarbonate, TDS meter (I have one similar to what you show), shows ~70ppm.

I did not expect to see any signs but if this is normal, I am fine with it.

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BaristaBoy E61

#9: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

Nunas wrote:I wouldn't worry about a thing. Put your Synchronika back together and enjoy.

I agree with Maurice on this one. I don't think you have any worries based on the mushroom pic you posted.
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sbenyo (original poster)

#10: Post by sbenyo (original poster) »

Checked again.

The stains do get off with some fingernail scratching. I sprayed a scale remover and it is now as good as new.
It does seem it was light scale. I wonder if this is what I should expect from RO system with rpavlis. Do I need to worry about it and do a full machine descaling?