Stuff about espresso that I wished I knew when I started out - Page 2

Beginner and pro baristas share tips and tricks for making espresso.

#11: Post by rsn4534 »

Don't hold me to this but I believe the Lelit Victoria has replaced the Glenda. There are still some new Glenda's available from old stock but you won't be able to get a new one. The Victoria has PID, LLC, pre-infusion, auto boiler fill after steaming and pressure gauge along with 58mm portafilter. Here's a copy and paste from reddit:

Lelit Glenda discontinued?
Checking out Lelit's website but don't see the Glenda under their product page. It's still being sold by 3rd party sites.
Considering the Glenda for an upgrade from my Delonghi Dedica. Anyone know anything about this?

9 mo. ago
Lelit Glenda | DF64
Yes, they seem to have discontinued the 58mm machines in their PL41 lineup. 3rd party sites probably still sell the stock they have.
I don't think it is a big issue though. Internally it shares parts with the rest of the Lelit lineup, so getting replacement parts should not get significantly more difficult.
You might even benefit from sellers offering good deals on it due to being discontinued.

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#12: Post by baldheadracing (original poster) »

I believe that the Glenda is currently made for only selected markets like the USA domestic market, perhaps to compete in the <$1k 58mm price range. It hasn't been on the Lelit website for a few years now. The Victoria is part of the upmarket VIP line, and costs over 20% more than the Glenda. (In the VIP line, the Grace is the 57mm machine.)

There may well be changes in the future, but the USA Lelit distributor currently shows stock of the Glenda.
-"Good quality brings happiness as you use it" - Nobuho Miya, Kamasada


#13: Post by Bluenoser »

I wonder if its a North American thing that we place more faith in technology than in our gray matter. We have traffic lights with poor sensors, when 4 stop signs and intelligent drivers would far outperform ... and then there are round-abouts, common abroad, that beat both .. almost not seen here..

The point is that we place faith in the Decent's and electric machines when a simple lever beats or equals them in most cases. I wish I had known this when I started..

I started with an HX and a Sette with plastic gears.. Both failed within 2 years .. and the HX required a group thermometer ($150) , a bottomless PF ($80) and borrowing a SCACE ($300-$600) to finally learn about temperature management in the HX world . When my HX went into repair for a broken SCR, the ROBOT was purchased as a "poor backup".. Little did I know it would give me all the espresso options I needed, plus none of the maintenance headache.. No steam gauge to fail because of scale buildup from what I thought was ideal water; no chemical cleans; no hauling 5 gal jugs of RO water; no flushing of steam boilers, wasting that RO water I had just lugged; no lubricating cams, replacing gaskets & seals ....

Now for those where tinkering *is* the hobby.. machines allow you to disassemble and mod to your hearts content. But for just getting a shot.. the manuals are hard to beat..

When a friend was getting into the hobby.. I suggested a Kinu, Flair V2 and a bellman. 3 years later that is still what he prefers, and he has been all over Europe, sending me his cafe pictures at various stops.

Even starting out as a new entrant, I think a manual would be easier to evolve with than an HX design. The best advice, as noted by the OP is having people (more gray matter) involved in teaching you the basics.


#14: Post by benhb »

I think lever machines are a great way to start as well. (Or anytime along the rabbit hole journey.). They offer a fine-level of control in an intuitive way.

I almost bought a 9barista stove-top device as my first "espresso" machine and now feel I've dodged a bullet.

With a 9barista it'd be difficult (or impossible) to do or control:
  • pre-infusion
  • blooming
  • different pressures
  • flow-control
  • taper pressure/flow
  • weigh output
... all of which I do, 4-months into my journey.

The week cooling off period I gave myself to decide if it was really the right machine to buy, saved me a lot of regret and a sizable difference in money ($629 vs $259 CAD).