Espresso pours too quick, could it be grinder?

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LetsGoMets

#1: Post by LetsGoMets »

Hi, first time posting but have been reading the forums and learning a TON. I just bought my first real espresso machine in the Lelit Mara x. I know I need to upgrade my grinder but thought at first my current cuisinart cbm-18 would be good enough to get started with. Now I'm not so sure.

I'm putting 18g in and getting 36g out but in only 16-17 seconds. Pressure never gets above 3 bars. I'm using the finest setting on the grinder and tamping down evenly and firm. Pucks come out solid with no signs of channeling. Coffee is freshly roasted. I tested the machine with the blind basket and it gets to 10 bars so I know it's not the machine.

Leaves me to believe that either 1) the grinder just can't grind fine enough or 2) my technique is still severely lacking. I've watched videos and read the advice throughout the forums and don't think my technique is too bad but I could be wrong.

Tried searching for information on this grinder relative to espresso but there's not much out there.

Anyone with experience with this grinder or familiar enough with it to verify if the grinds just can't go fine enough? Or maybe I'm missing something else?

Thanks!

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#2: Post by spressomon »

Assuming your basket is 18g capacity +/- and you are using grind setting #1 on the grinder...then your grinder is not grinding fine enough/not capable of grinding fine enough. The 'spend money light is on'... :lol:
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HoldTheOnions

#3: Post by HoldTheOnions »

Its hard to understand until you try it, but not all grinders can grind for espresso. Some can be modified to grind finer, but if can't find anything on it, then probably should return the cbm. Baratza encore was previously considered the minimum electric grinder for espresso out of the box, though maybe that has changed.

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#4: Post by tennisman03110 »

We had one of those Cuisinart grinders at my work. It barely worked well enough for the AeroPress.

Yes, you need a real grinder. Good luck.... (but I'm sure you can be helped).

tennisman03110

#5: Post by tennisman03110 »

HoldTheOnions wrote:Its hard to understand until you try it, but not all grinders can grind for espresso. Some can be modified to grind finer, but if can't find anything on it, then probably should return the cbm. Baratza encore was previously considered the minimum electric grinder for espresso out of the box, though maybe that has changed.
I currently have an Encore. It won't work for espresso. Not without major sacrifices or double walled baskets. I tried, and failed.

I use a Sette 270, which I happen to enjoy very much. It's so loud, just grinding my beans is morning wake-up :D

LetsGoMets (original poster)

#6: Post by LetsGoMets (original poster) »

Thanks everyone. Looks like I'll be buying a new grinder today! I've had the Cuisinart for close to a decade and have been using it for french press and pour overs. I'd say it's prob about time to try something new.

I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Eureka Mignon Specialista. I like to single dose however the single dose grinders I've been looking at are out of stock for months, Niche & Lagom P64. I saw the Specialista can be modded to single dose so I'm thinking I'll give hopper dosing a try and can always mod it to try single dosing too.

I don't like the idea of keeping a couple days worth of beans in the hopper from a freshness perspective but we'll see how it goes.
I want to keep this grinder purchase under 1,000 so I don't feel too guilty upgrading to something like the P64 in the future if I still want to.

Thanks again!

SEMIJim

#7: Post by SEMIJim »

LetsGoMets wrote:Thanks everyone. Looks like I'll be buying a new grinder today!
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I want to keep this grinder purchase under 1,000 ...
You might find this recent thread I started useful: My Baratza Vario (was: Baratza Virtuoso+ For Espresso: Adequate?)

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#8: Post by Chrikelnel »

LetsGoMets wrote:Thanks everyone. Looks like I'll be buying a new grinder today! I've had the Cuisinart for close to a decade and have been using it for french press and pour overs. I'd say it's prob about time to try something new.

I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Eureka Mignon Specialista. I like to single dose however the single dose grinders I've been looking at are out of stock for months, Niche & Lagom P64. I saw the Specialista can be modded to single dose so I'm thinking I'll give hopper dosing a try and can always mod it to try single dosing too.

I don't like the idea of keeping a couple days worth of beans in the hopper from a freshness perspective but we'll see how it goes.
I want to keep this grinder purchase under 1,000 so I don't feel too guilty upgrading to something like the P64 in the future if I still want to.

Thanks again!
Have you seen the G-iota/DF64? Sounds like it might be up your alley. If you decide to go for the specialita espressocoffeeshop has the lowest prices by far.

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#9: Post by Marcelnl »

OR, have a look at used pro grinders to get your feet wet in Espresso until you decide where you want to go with that, a used Mazzer Super Jolly (64mm flat burrs) ought to be available somewhere near you and can come dirt cheap...at the added expense of cleaning and getting new burrs (50-ish) you could be good to go for anything between 50$ and 500$, depending on it's age and condition.
Last one I bought was 50 euro, previous one 150, my Major (83mm flat burrs) came in at 300euro
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LetsGoMets (original poster)

#10: Post by LetsGoMets (original poster) »

All great advice! And thanks Dustin for confirming that the Cuisinart just isn't up to the task.

I had seen the DF64 and it appears to be a good fit for what I'm looking for. With it being so new and coming from what I can tell is an unknown / unproven manufacturer I was hesitant to move forward with it.

The prices and selection from espressocoffeeshop seem really good. I had emailed earlier and they responded right away even though it was after their business hours. Thanks for the recommendation.