lagoon wrote: (strictly speaking a long black if done in this order)

Never really done it that way, but it is food for thought. Thanks.
(I'm more of a risrtretto type of a person but my family is not)

lagoon wrote:Both. Here's a great piece on the topic:

http://www.goodfood.com.au/drinks/the-p ... 0411-36j9y

Thanks for the link.