Detergent Cleaning - E61 Manual Groupheads

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erics

Postby erics » Jan 10, 2011, 8:49 pm

Here's a tip (?) for detergent cleaning of E61 groupheads. The normal procedure is to put about 1/2 teaspoon of your chosen favorite (Joe-Glo, Cafiza, etc.) into a blind filter basket and run several backflush routines. The exact instructions and recommended frequency are on each container.

One of the drawbacks to this procedure is the removal of coffee oils from the surfaces of the cam and pins which control the brew and preinfusion/exhaust process. You should notice a little squeaky-squeaky noise with movement of the brew lever until the appropriate surfaces get recoated with coffee oils. Excessive detergent cleaning will lead to premature wear of both the cam profile and pin surfaces - about a $50 fix. :(

A way to avoid this is to perform the backflush routine as usual but instead of moving the lever to the exhaust position, simply shut the machine off with the main power switch and with the lever remaining in the brew position. Let the machine rest and parts soak for 15-20 minutes and then turn the main power switch on again for 5-10 seconds and then off again for another soak period. Follow all this with a lengthy flush of the grouphead.
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benm5678

Postby benm5678 » Jan 10, 2011, 9:22 pm

Thanks for tip, I've had that issue, with the lever getting tough to move after cleaning.

Just want to make sure I got it:

- when u shut off machine u wait 15 *minutes*, not seconds?

- how does it travel through the system, isn't the exhaust action what shoots it up the grouphead?

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erics

Postby erics » Jan 10, 2011, 9:32 pm

15 minutes - yes. The idea is simply to soak the screen and grouphead.
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cafeIKE

Postby cafeIKE » Jan 11, 2011, 5:17 pm

Water passes through the cam chamber on the way to the coffee.
Coffee passes through the cam chamber on the way to the drain.
If you don't clean the cam chamber...

See E61 Group Espresso Machine: Detailed Interior Schematics

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Postby stefano65 » Jan 11, 2011, 5:53 pm

1/4 of teaspoon is normally what we use and recommended
but we also use and sell pulycaff and supposedly has better cleaning strength
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cannonfodder
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Postby cannonfodder » Jan 15, 2011, 9:30 pm

I always let the group soak but I do not turn the machine off. I will fill the blind basket with water so the detergent starts to dissolve. Then I lock it in, raise the lever and let it partially pressurise then drop the lever to the mid position to turn off the pump but not open the 3 way to dump the water. Then let it sit for 10-15 min then dump the pressure and take the portafilter off to see how bad it looks. I usually run a short 3 or 4 using the normal pulse, dump then rinse everything.
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Postby Compass Coffee » Jan 17, 2011, 3:30 pm

Damn, why didn't I think of that years ago! Now that it's time the lower replace pin a second time, and didn't replace cam last time so likely will need it this time and possibly upper pin (I think there's an upper pin....)

I'll add that not just excessive detergent cleaning will cause the wear. I changed my regimen after the first time replacing the lower pin to detergent monthly only, water backflushing each session. Still wore out in a couple years. What I should probably do is each gasket replacement make the time to pull the assembly and lube but admittedly don't. And use the power switch for after session water backflush except for final back flush to hit the valve.

erics wrote:Here's a tip (?) for detergent cleaning of E61 groupheads. The normal procedure is to put about 1/2 teaspoon of your chosen favorite (Joe-Glo, Cafiza, etc.) into a blind filter basket and run several backflush routines. The exact instructions and recommended frequency are on each container.

One of the drawbacks to this procedure is the removal of coffee oils from the surfaces of the cam and pins which control the brew and preinfusion/exhaust process. You should notice a little squeaky-squeaky noise with movement of the brew lever until the appropriate surfaces get recoated with coffee oils. Excessive detergent cleaning will lead to premature wear of both the cam profile and pin surfaces - about a $50 fix. :(

A way to avoid this is to perform the backflush routine as usual but instead of moving the lever to the exhaust position, simply shut the machine off with the main power switch and with the lever remaining in the brew position. Let the machine rest and parts soak for 15-20 minutes and then turn the main power switch on again for 5-10 seconds and then off again for another soak period. Follow all this with a lengthy flush of the grouphead.
Mike McGinness, Head Bean (Owner/Roast Master)
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MonkeyK

Postby MonkeyK » Jan 17, 2011, 6:01 pm

What do you see that makes you know you need to replace the pin/cam?

My E61 lever squeaks after every cleaning (every other week or so for the last year), but I have not noticed any performance problems.

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benm5678

Postby benm5678 » Jan 17, 2011, 8:53 pm

Probably every time it feels squeaky you're putting more strain on pins than needed. If it recovers for you quick after some shots, it may be ok.

Mine would get squeaky and hard to move, sometimes even after few days of use.

Finally after 2 years of use, I opened it up to maintain and added some lube... it's super smooth now, just like new! I should of done it sooner, as the pins show some wear already (on tips where they touch the cam). However, it's not enough damage to hurt operation, so I think I'm good as long as I keep maintaining it now... which is soooo simple... I love the E61 design!

From trying the method above though, I wasn't able to clean it with a really long flush... so had to end up backflushing anyway. I like the soak period, which I've never done before.

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Postby Compass Coffee » Jan 17, 2011, 10:20 pm

Much weaker exhaust through the 3-way when backflushing, slight PF sneeze tendancy.

MonkeyK wrote:What do you see that makes you know you need to replace the pin/cam?

My E61 lever squeaks after every cleaning (every other week or so for the last year), but I have not noticed any performance problems.
Mike McGinness, Head Bean (Owner/Roast Master)
http://www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com