Detergent Cleaning - E61 Manual Groupheads - Page 4

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#31: Post by CelliniEVO »

I have an Ace a few miles away, do u have a product name?? Everyone at HD said plumbers grease doesn't exist and looked at me like I was a crazy man

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#32: Post by erics (original poster) »

I cannot find my tube at the moment - to the best of my knowledge, it is simply called plumber's grease and comes in a tube about 4" long by 1" wide.

BTW - http://www.homedepot.com/buy/plumbing-p ... 27125.html

or

http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/51-28 ... 35004.aspx
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#33: Post by opother »

I ordered dow 111 on line and that is what I used to lube my Brewtus 2 lever.

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#34: Post by CelliniEVO »

Ace here has the plumbers grease and silicon grease, curious if its going to come into contact with the water and I should thus be worried about the toxicity??
Heading over now to get it, seems like Silicon grease is the way to go from a health standpoint if it touches the water??


Thanks Eric for all the quick responses, I truly appreciate it.

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#35: Post by erics (original poster) »

For sure it comes into contact with brew water and hence the amounts recommended. Yes, silicone, but read the data on the tubes.
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#36: Post by allon »

The first link for the plumber's grease states it's "Designed to work in temperatures up to 180 degrees Fahrenheit" and it's MSDS states "May cause nausea and vomiting. Not expected to produce toxic effects."
MSDA here:
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfIma ... |100208699


The Harvey's Silicone Grease says up to 450 degrees.
MSDS here:
http://www.wmharvey.com/msds/pdf/050090.pdf
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#37: Post by CelliniEVO »

At Ace now and they have their own brand of what they describe as "90% pure silicon grease" and it says non-toxic. Are their any natural alternatives that would do the same job like say Cocoa butter??

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#38: Post by opother »

I have had the best longest lasting results using Dow 111. The stuff is thick but when it heats up it is just the right consistency. I put it on the piston seals of my europiccola months ago and it still is working my problem of stiff action in the pavoni is cured.

I used to use butter to lube the pavoni but that stuff didn't last very long at all.

Dow 111 stays put and does not wash away unless you use a strong emulsifier like cafiza from what I read.

My Brewtus lever cam has been saved and the cam lever is still moving smooth.

All of the above from a very tiny little tube that is not near empty yet.

I wouldn't trust any lube that is not designed for this type of high heat food safe use and I would be skeptical about it being safe when it contacts food, especially at high temperatures. If it says it can cause nausea and vomiting I would not want to use it.

If there are any petrol additives or other type of product enhancers added it may cause cancer if consumed on a daily basis. Natural does not equal good and non-toxic does not mean it's edible or meant to be used around food.

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#39: Post by CrayonShinchan »

CrayonShinchan wrote:What's the harm of removing the screen and gasket too often?

Also, does it make sense to just lube the cam lever each time after you detergent backflush? I admittedly have not disassembled the E61 but it doesn't seem that difficult.
Thank you, sir.

I bought Dow 111 from a member on ebay and I confirmed that it's certified to nsf/ansi 51/61 and says meets fda 21 cfr 175.300.

Bought it from this guy: http://myworld.ebay.com/jam-traders

Around 15 bucks shipped.

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#40: Post by CelliniEVO »

Well, I was going to attempt to lube the lever on my Cellini but luckily my biggest crescent wrench was a mm or 2 too small. I was extremely frustrated after having already made a Home Depot & Ace Hardware run, so I ended up repeatedly lifting the lever up and down with the machine completely cooled (about 25 or so times). To my amazement, this loosened it up a fair bit so I let it be. And now, as of today, for the 1st time in weeks, it feels just like it did when I got it.
I don't know what exactly was done by lifting the lever while it was cooled, but it definitely had an effect!! Its gonna be a long while before I do another chemical backflush....

Thanks Eric for going out of your way to help me out, I truly appreciate it.