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- EddyQ
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I'm liking the possibilities of an RTD circuit using the Phidgets 1046. 24-bit DAC and the option of building a circuit with optimal RTD current/voltage range and analog filtering at the bridge/DAC. It would likely result with the best noise immunity and smoothest RoR curve possible for a reasonable cost.
More reading material:
https://www.phidgets.com/?tier=3&catid= ... rodid=1027
https://www.phidgets.com/docs/Load_Cell_Primer
After more testing, my Phidgets 1048 TC looks like it is doing flakey things (shown on post above). I may consider going with the 1046 in the near future. Costs are getting up there though since I would also need to replace three TC with RTDs probes.
More reading material:
https://www.phidgets.com/?tier=3&catid= ... rodid=1027
https://www.phidgets.com/docs/Load_Cell_Primer
After more testing, my Phidgets 1048 TC looks like it is doing flakey things (shown on post above). I may consider going with the 1046 in the near future. Costs are getting up there though since I would also need to replace three TC with RTDs probes.
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- Almico
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I purchased a custom 4-wire RTD from TC Direct. It wasn't cheap. And I only need one. I'm OK with TCs for ET and exhaust temp.
I bought a VINT Hub, 4 x TC Phidget, and a TMP1200 RTD Phidget, basically for the cost of a 1048.
This will allow me to use the RTD for my BT and hook up 4 additional TCs if I want.
If all this works, great. If not, I'll try something else.
I bought a VINT Hub, 4 x TC Phidget, and a TMP1200 RTD Phidget, basically for the cost of a 1048.
This will allow me to use the RTD for my BT and hook up 4 additional TCs if I want.
If all this works, great. If not, I'll try something else.
- EddyQ
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Al, I like that option as well. BT RoR is really my only care about with being very smooth, responsive and lacking any time lag.
I could use my 1048 TC for ET & MET even though it seems to have an issue.
I like the looks of this probe:
https://www.omega.com/pptst/PRTF11-E-SB.html
500C rated, 3mm dia, 4-wire custom and probably pay something like $70 ea. I'd probably go with the Phidgets 1046 for $90 and make a board with precision resistors.
I could use my 1048 TC for ET & MET even though it seems to have an issue.
What RTD probe did you go with? TC Direct has a huge selection. I am amazed how many RTD's have a max temp of 540F. I think I would want a probe that comfortably handles much more than that, even for BT which really shouldn't reach these temps. They do have RTDs with max temps of 1100F.Almico wrote:I purchased a custom 4-wire RTD from TC Direct. It wasn't cheap.
I like the looks of this probe:
https://www.omega.com/pptst/PRTF11-E-SB.html
500C rated, 3mm dia, 4-wire custom and probably pay something like $70 ea. I'd probably go with the Phidgets 1046 for $90 and make a board with precision resistors.
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- Almico
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I ordered this one: https://www.tcdirect.com/deptprod.asp?d ... ch=314-648, but with 4-wire instead of 3.
I don't think you can use an RTD and the 1048. The RTD requires a TMP1200 through a VINT Hub connection to the computer. I don't think you can have two USB inputs with Artisan.
I don't think you can use an RTD and the 1048. The RTD requires a TMP1200 through a VINT Hub connection to the computer. I don't think you can have two USB inputs with Artisan.
- EddyQ
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Thanks Al! That is a 1/8" RTD. It might be slow, but maybe fast enough.
I'm using two USB inputs to Artisan now. I'm playing with a 1045 IR sensor on one USB and 1048 on another. Works fine. But in the future, I would use the 1048 for ET and MET thermocouples and a RTD BT probe would need either a TMP1200 and VINT hub or a 1046 with a bridge circuit. Connect both the 1048 and 1046 to Artisan.Almico wrote:I don't think you can use an RTD and the 1048. The RTD requires a TMP1200 through a VINT Hub connection to the computer. I don't think you can have two USB inputs with Artisan.
LMWDP #671
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How about this one.. Looks really interesting, starts at 1/8" for durability but last 2" is 0.080" for fast response
https://www.tcdirect.com/deptprod.asp?deptid=230/27
0.125">0.080" dia x 6" long
https://www.tcdirect.com/deptprod.asp?deptid=230/27
0.125">0.080" dia x 6" long
- Almico
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- Joined: 10 years ago
540* max temp and I'd be concerned about that small tip.
And too responsive is not our friend here. Ideally I'd want a probe that reacts quickly, but dampens the reading. In other words a probe that will respond in a split second, but not overreact temperature-wise.
And too responsive is not our friend here. Ideally I'd want a probe that reacts quickly, but dampens the reading. In other words a probe that will respond in a split second, but not overreact temperature-wise.
- MaKoMo (original poster)
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- Joined: 16 years ago
Things are moving in a good direction. Good news added on Yoctopuce modules. They released a new firmware for the YoctoTC module that dramatically reduces the noise (on the same hardware). I updated the article with the new results.
LMWDP #360, https://artisan-scope.org
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I just noticed a new firmware for TMP1101 - v107 which lists these improvements "Implemented 50/60Hz notch filter, fixed crash when seeing temperatures near maximum range". It says it was released in February, but I wasn't able to update to it until this week. Saw same mismatch with other devices too. This could improve reading on systems with lower quality power sources.
- Almico
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