speedplay wrote:I don't know about competitive in the $$ and cents arena since the Lelit kit is more expensive ($247.38 pre-order price) than the Profitec.
And to me the wooden paddle doesn't look as nice as the Profitecs handle IMHO.
And Profitec is coming up with an update/upgrade to the handle to allow greater flow rate.
Thanks for bringing this into our conversation as I could AND would not comment on the other. Permit me to graciously clarify a few things for the community.
First, as we all know, the grouphead gets very hot. The wood dissipates the heat that rises upward. Less metal is better as metal attracts heat. In essence, the wood has some insular properties as it keeps one's fingers further away from the hot grouphead.
Second, wood costs more. It is more elegant and adds a really nice touch. This is why many clients buy wood upgrade kits for their machines, and not just the ones we sell.
Third, the Lelit manual needle valve controls the water to a full stop. This allows FULL STOP control over soak time when the Bianca has its pre-infusion programming turned off. Fourth, and with respect to your 'opinion' about greater flow rate, this is your opinion.
After 2 years of testing and being 22 years in the business, I have noticed increased blonding in extractions with higher flow. Lelit took their time to develop AND test this needle valve. It was not a rush to market as Lelit's competition is trying to do. Bianca is killing it not only in the USA, but worldwide.
As for increased flow rate, there are engineering challenges, as well. The needle needs to be strong enough. It needs to be small enough for greater precision. Making it larger 'may' impact precision.
Fifth, yes the price is also higher because there are other components in the kit. It is not just a mushroom with a little needle valve inside and a gauge. There is more to it.
Lastly, the manual brew pressure profiling is only one parameter of the Bianca. There is also the slanted coffee boiler, the external reservoir that aids in stability of the temperature of incoming water, the ability of saving space on the counter when plumbing in, and more. In other words, as one person has stated in the forums, the Bianca was quality built from the ground up. We still have the prototype in our showroom running 24x7 and we have even tried to break the machine. The next step is throwing it out of the window!
The Bianca is truly a game-changer.
Again, many thanks for bringing your viewpoints into our conversation!