User Experience: Flair Espresso Manual Lever - Page 90

#891: Post by **melkenshawn** » March 26th, 2019, 7:56 pm

shotwell wrote:After preheating and adding water can you introduce an instant read thermometer to the cylinder before inserting the piston? Having an idea of a starting brew temperature would help me to diagnose.

It was 95 degrees celsius or 203 farenheit.

#892: Post by **shotwell** » March 26th, 2019, 8:09 pm

You certainly seem to be getting hot enough to work with most anything. Any chance you can put together a video of your process or describe it thoroughly? I found that my flair method needs a surprisingly long preinfusion+shot time to avoid sourness for medium light/light roasts.

#893: Post by **dmw010** » March 26th, 2019, 8:12 pm

Sour might mean underextraction rather than low temperature. I'd suggest the problem is mainly your grinder. And probably too large a dose. Poor grind and too much coffee makes underextracted, sour shots more likely.

March 26th, 2019, 11:56 pm

I'm looking into acquiring a hiku grinder. But in the meantime, would how much would you suggest i dose instead?

Thank you!

#895: Post by **Rytopa** » March 27th, 2019, 4:06 am

Would not recommend the Hiku if your purpose is for espresso. It requires quite alot of strength to grip and turn, especially light to medium roast

March 27th, 2019, 6:28 am

Oh i was offered a used one at $150AUD so i thought it was a pretty decent price.

#897: Post by **dmw010** » March 27th, 2019, 10:07 am

melkenshawn wrote:how much would you suggest i dose instead?

I've had success at 16g with the coffee I use, but I know others dose lower, like 12g. While the Flair needs a coarser grind than a typical espresso machine, remember that you will need to grind a bit finer as you reduce the dose. Experiment to find a dose that works well with your coffee. But I wouldn't expect much better results until you get a better grinder. I use a Helor 101.

March 27th, 2019, 10:30 pm

Do you think a lido 2 would be sufficient?

March 27th, 2019, 11:33 pm

I think people may still use the Lido 2 for espresso, but it wasn't designed for it. Perhaps someone else can tell you how well it works. The Lido E is the espresso version of the Lido, with finer adjustment than the Lido 2. If you want to make espresso, my advice is to get a grinder designed for espresso. Search the Grinder forum, there are discussions about pretty much every hand grinder on the market.

#900: Post by **vit** » March 28th, 2019, 2:31 am

I'm using Lido 3 (similar construction like Lido 2, different burrs) and Feldgrind. Both work reasonably well, though not ideal. Problem with Lido 2/3 is adjusting mechanism which has too much tolerance/free play in the threads, which can be solved by "teflon tape" tweak