Londinium piston removal - Page 13

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Postby walt_in_hawaii » Mar 10, 2019, 12:32 am

....but all my Rembrandts are in the bedroom.
(I bought one of those huge books of his collected works :)
....although my favourite was always Maxfield Parrish.


Postby Deval » Apr 24, 2019, 1:28 pm

Dear Walt.

I have been reading your thread and found the information very useful... Thanks for all your efforts...!!

Just wondering.... Could you please summarise your final measurements of piston, piston seal and cylinder ID.

Also are you using symmetrical U cup seal or asymmetrical U cup seal.?



Postby walt_in_hawaii » replying to Deval » May 02, 2019, 2:43 pm

Hi Deval, the piston dimensions are pretty much stock with a few exceptions.
The overall fit of the stock piston in the group head bore (which is 2.017" bore diameter) is very sloppy at a piston diameter of 1.928", so I increased the piston diameter to 1.980" for my piston, to stop it from rocking in the bore and upsetting the seals. The ring lands are located in the stock locations (up and down), but the dimensions are slightly changed. The small diameter of the bottom of the seals on a stock piston are 1.613", mine are 1.620", just slightly bigger which pushes the seals against the wall very slightly harder. And, the width of the ring grooves has been tightened up... the stock piston groove is .315" (or about 8mm) but the seals from both Cafelat and Sorrento are both 7mm, around .276" so I tightened up my groove width to .295" so the seals would be held more 'upright' without deflection up and down as you move the piston. The seals I am using currently are the Sorrento stock seals, which are a V type seal, not U. I added 6 very small holes in the circumference of the face of the piston so that some pressure would transfer under the lip of the bottom-most, critical pressure seal and 'puff out' the seal lip into the bore wall, as had been noted by others (Paul Pratt) to be a common finding in other lever machines but was absent in the Londinium models. But, the brass I used does have around 2% lead in it, which I discovered only after machining it... so I had to send it out to be cerakoted, a ceramic coating which will seal it so it is inert and not leach lead into my drinks. Lastly, I omitted the 2 large holes in the face of the piston (used to torque the piston to remove it) and instead put a small hole in the side of the piston for a small pin wrench; this leaves the working face much cleaner.

I finally got the job batch back from the powder coater after numerous calls (he was on vacation):


I will be installing it today and should be up and running by tonight...


Postby LObin » May 02, 2019, 5:42 pm

Welcome back Walt!
Piston looks pretty neat with the ceramic coating!
Quite interested to see how it behaves in a little while...



Postby Deval » Jun 03, 2019, 8:07 am

walt_in_hawaii wrote:Hi Deval, the piston dimensions are pretty much stock with a few exceptions.
I will be installing it today and should be up and running by tonight...

Thanks for the detailed reply Walt..... Could not acknowledge it earlier as I was on vacation..


Postby 1968 » Jun 12, 2019, 1:57 am

This is such a bit of a shame. This group has a very clever design, with the thread on the piston side beeing long enough to take all the tension off the spring without any special tools. Unfortunately from factory they seem to be glued in. I had to use a lot of heat to break the loctite. Now I can unscrew the piston from the bottom and I used a light loctite at the top.