Flair 58 - Page 61

#601: Post by K7 » July 20th, 2022, 2:19 pm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255171174143?h ... Sw2K9iBALr

Looks like they have since added a brand stamping - mine is plain.

#602: Post by **Radio.YYZ** » July 20th, 2022, 2:23 pm

K7 wrote:I would think a puck screen is essential to avoid the sludgy mess. BTW, I've switched to a much thinner and lighter puck screen found on Ebay (similar to Aeropress metal filter) for reduced thermal mass and easier cleaning, a big win in my book.

Light roasts are just often more difficult to work with. If you haven't already, you might try slower pressure ramp up and not go above 5 bar. I have the Specialita and pull light roasts all the time with excellent results. ~15g on IMS E&B Superfine 14-16g basket. Factory "slow" basket works pretty well also.

Thanks for the input on the grinder.!
I am currently using an E61 machine to pull the shots, i find without the puck screen i am getting better results. But as you said the prep work is not exact each time so it could be user issue.

#603: Post by **EvanOz85** » August 13th, 2022, 1:02 pm

I ditched the puck screen long ago, and just tamp an Aeropress paper filter on top of the bed. If you center the tamper just right, it creates a nice little paper "seal" around the edges. Works absolutely perfectly, and zero mess. I use this technique both on my Flair 58 and DE-1 XL.

#604: Post by **MCal2003** » August 14th, 2022, 12:50 pm

K7 wrote:https://www.ebay.com/itm/255171174143?h ... Sw2K9iBALr

Looks like they have since added a brand stamping - mine is plain.

Not a really a thinner screen. Site notes 2mm thick. Stock Flair 58 measured: 2.06mm. Generic AMZ measured 1.76mm. Price is nice vs. stock and the generic I purchased at AMZ.

#605: Post by **MCal2003** » August 14th, 2022, 12:52 pm

Me Bad. Site notes 0.2mm. So significantly thinner.

#606: Post by **Radio.YYZ** » August 14th, 2022, 6:43 pm

MCal2003 wrote:Not a really a thinner screen. Site notes 2mm thick. Stock Flair 58 measured: 2.06mm. Generic AMZ measured 1.76mm. Price is nice vs. stock and the generic I purchased at AMZ.

Flair 58 puck screen that i have is about 1.8mm, measured with a caliper.
Generic amazon one i have is 1.7mm.

#607: Post by **renatoa** » August 18th, 2022, 10:42 am

Is really this bling/gimmick edition featuring the most requested additions that were asked by undecided potential Flair buyers ?!

Still waiting for a 51mm version... all they have to do is to change the plunge taper, and PF mounting flange, for an existing generic PF, everything else remaining the same. Add a pressurized basket, to suit those without a grinder, call it Neo51, and check market reaction

I'll promise you a honest review, for free !

August 31st, 2022, 4:01 pm

My temp controler died...anybody had bypass the controller till I get a replacement which may take forever considering I m far away from US?

#609: Post by **MCal2003** » September 1st, 2022, 10:57 am

The good is the part is available at a reasonable price before international shipping. Shipping times are so variable and inconsistent in our new times. I can understand your concern. I wouldn't risk jury rigging a bypass. Looked at the Flair website and could not find the grouphead under accessories. Kill the head and it probably means a new machine. About how many actual days of use did your temp controller last? Sure hope it's not a 1000 on/off cycles (ie. ~3years) and then dead.

For those with the latest "improved" model. If your temperature control unit goes do you need to replace the whole grouphead? One of the reasons I purchased the 58 was the modular design.

#610: Post by **renatoa** » September 1st, 2022, 11:17 am

They don't list the group head as an accessory, because for the other fla(ir)vors

it is sold for second shot purpose.
The 58 machine with the heated group and new piston design allows second shot almost as easier as an open boiler lever. Almost... : )

Conversely, I would say instead: "list the head (as spare) and it probably means you killed the machine..."
I know a lot of people who built custom levers using the first generations flair parts

Give me a head and you will have a Pavoni basket version asap