Flair 58 - Page 47

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vit

#461: Post by vit »

renatoa wrote:With the 58x, mandatory buy, imo, you can keep the piston low all the time, so the water don't touch the puck until you raise it.
You can wait indefinitely in that position to stabilize the temperature.
Yeah ... maybe ... but we have yet to see how it would work. The water poured into cylinder won't passively wait for the temperature to stabilize, it will be evaporating and cooling down, which will in turn trigger the heater. Eventually it may stabilize around wanted temperature, but I'm not sure it will be very precise regulation. Sure, you may cover the cylinder with some cover, which adds an additional item required for this ... so I'm not sure this is the best possible workflow ...

jpender

#462: Post by jpender »

renatoa wrote:With the 58x, mandatory buy, imo, you can keep the piston low all the time, so the water don't touch the puck until you raise it.
You can wait indefinitely in that position to stabilize the temperature.
Forget anything about the initial 58 version, it is simply bad design, without the valve in piston.
That's good that they made that change. But "mandatory buy" is not the right phrase with a product that is a moving target, at least not for me. I take my time considering purchases like this. I was a potential Flair customer in early 2018 but it wasn't until the following year that I actually bought a machine. What will the flagship Flair look like a year from now?

renatoa

#463: Post by renatoa »

Well... language barrier :)
I meant atm there is no reason to buy the older 58, with solid piston.

jpender

#464: Post by jpender »

I knew what you meant. I just enjoy complaining about Flair.

renatoa

#465: Post by renatoa »

Well... what about the wrong group size choice ? :D

danq

#466: Post by danq »

Hi. I understand your point that the new version of the Flair 58 is preferable to the original version. What is your view on getting the old one and the upgrade kit? I am asking because here in Australia the new one does not seem to be available yet...

renatoa

#467: Post by renatoa »

If the resulting price is not too high... sure.

danq

#468: Post by danq »

Thanks. They will send the upgrade for free. Is the old 58 with upgrade equivalent to the new one or are there differences?

renatoa

#469: Post by renatoa »

You can read here the differences:

https://flairespresso.com/product/flair-58x/

Short story: puck screen, new plunger, and more solid frame/lever.

Probably the new plunger only is subject of free update, I guess... :?

K7

#470: Post by K7 »

renatoa wrote:With the 58x, mandatory buy, imo, you can keep the piston low all the time, so the water don't touch the puck until you raise it.
You can wait indefinitely in that position to stabilize the temperature.
Forget anything about the initial 58 version, it is simply bad design, without the valve in piston.
I agree the new model is strongly preferable, but the 58x is the model with no electrical heater and doesn't say anything about the updated design. Both the 58 and 58x got the piston upgrade recently and it doesn't look like they have a new name for it.

Q: Has anyone done a temperature study on this? From what I've seen from Flair pre-lease videos, it should be very solid, but I would be curious to know if someone did a study with a Scace or something similar, especially for back-to-back shots.