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#11: Post by baristainzmking (original poster) »

drgary wrote:Congratulations, Julia!

Yes, the ID is something like 51mm and change. Too bad you don't get to go to the Thomas E. Cara shop in San Francisco anymore to soak up the history.

Please show us pix.

You'll want to tune it to maintain about 0.8 bar pressure. You'll use half pumps to bring the group up to temperature. And the temperature you'll measure for will be dialed in by taste because the temperature outside the group won't be the same as actual brew temperature. Don't be surprised if the outside temperature soars after you've started at the desired temperature. Also, I agree that an actual thermometer is better.

It can be annoying to press the lever down on one of these and feel it flex. This is after having the rock-solid Robot. The key here is grinding coarse enough that you won't need to do gorilla pulls.

You'll also refine technique to overcome the air pocket in the group at the start of the pull. It's been awhile since I've owned by third-gen La Pavoni lever. These days I'm mostly using my 1964 machine. But technique may be similar. I guesstimate a lower start temperature (at the outside of the group) and raise the lever for the initial pre-infusion, wait maybe 10 seconds, and if there are no drips, I re-raise the lever once or twice and pump water into the coffee. Some people call this the Fellini method after an old film segment showed a barista re-cocking an old spring lever, but it's unclear what he was doing. There are other methods to avoid spongy pulls, and I'm sure you'll find one.

People complain that these machines aren't temperature-stable. I like being able to temperature surf.

Also, if you haven't already done so, you might take an opportunity to read up on the history of the La Pavoni manual levers and the Professional on the reference website of Francesco Ceccarelli. Your browser will tell you that the site it "insecure" because he hasn't converted it from http to https. I haven't had problems with the site.

This certainly was an unexpected gift and an addition to my growing coffee collection. Lol. I feel there will be quite a bit of a learning curve, but I am up for a challenge and my hubby is so excited about his gift. Lol. I have heard about the Fellini move and about the need to grind coarser. About bleeding the steam wand and about flushing the group head to raise temperature. I love the robot and this is completely different from it and from my Bianca, so more fun and I will definitely be well caffeinated.

It is a shame that the Thomas E. Cara shop is closed. It would have been great to get a little closer to history.
Julia

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#12: Post by scrane »

You will need a bag o' beans and a good grinder. Don't rush the La Pavoni.

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#13: Post by baristainzmking (original poster) replying to scrane »

I have coffee, some in use other in jars in a freezer. Good grinders are covered with an MC4 and a Max. I am taking the La Pavone nice and slow. I know there is a learning curve and am going to enjoy the ride. This is not the machine I will be using first thing in the morning. My Bianca is on a Wi-Fi timer and is ready to go when I am.
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baristainzmking wrote:....Good grinders are covered with an MC4 and a Max. I am taking the La Pavoni nice and slow. I know there is a learning curve and am going to enjoy the ride. This is not the machine I will be using first thing in the morning. My Bianca is on a Wi-Fi timer and is ready to go when I am.
I will be curious to hear your impression(s) on the La Pavoni after time with it. For others not aware, I am curious because OP has Lelit Bianca (which has flow control and is dual boiler pump machine) and Cafelat Robot (which is a manual lever albeit two levers).

FWIW, I had in my rotation Olympia Express Cremina and Cafelat Robot both in my home at same time for ~ 4 months. For others not aware of LaPavoni and Cremina share some key similarities that have been discussed in detail prior on HB. And prior having both I had the Olympia Express Cremina (with mods) for ~ 6 years. It was my daily driver espresso brewer and even for (1-3 times/year) parties. Overall for my philosophy of use (<=4 espressos/day) , I greatly prefer the Robot in-the-cup.
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#15: Post by baristainzmking (original poster) »

mdmvrockford wrote:I will be curious to hear your impression(s) on the La Pavoni after time with it. For others not aware, I am curious because OP has Lelit Bianca (which has flow control and is dual boiler pump machine) and Cafelat Robot (which is a manual lever albeit two levers).

FWIW, I had in my rotation Olympia Express Cremina and Cafelat Robot both in my home at same time for ~ 4 months. For others not aware of LaPavoni and Cremina share some key similarities that have been discussed in detail prior on HB. And prior having both I just had the Olympia Express Cremina (with mods) for ~ 6 years. It was my daily driver espresso brewer and even for (1-3 times/year) parties. Overall for my philosophy of use (<=4 espressos/day) , I greatly prefer the Robot in-the-cup.
Very interesting. I love Bianca as it is so easy to use and great for parties and light(er) roasts. If we have 10 to 12 people, I split the shots. I have a portafilter that holds 22 grams and has dual spouts, works great for flat whites/small lattes. My guests usually only drink milk drinks. I steam and pull at the same time so it makes the work flow easier.

I enjoy both, the robot and Bianca for their own unique qualities and bring Daisy (robot''s name), Kinu and frother to my friends house, as I hate her super auto!!

My husband, who is a pour over guys, medium dark roasts only, likes the robot better than Bianca. He says something about it being smoother...go figure. And I just enjoy using them all. It will be a while before I can compare La Povoni and the robot.

Why do you prefer robot to Cremina?
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#16: Post by ojt »

FWIW I think La Pavoni is more suitable for light roasts than dark, due to its tendency to heat "too much".
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#17: Post by baristainzmking (original poster) replying to ojt »

Ooh, I am going to try it today with my lightly roasted Ethiopian washed beans from Black and White roasters!
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#18: Post by drgary »

ojt wrote:FWIW I think La Pavoni is more suitable for light roasts than dark, due to its tendency to heat "too much".
Unless a darker roast is your first shot during warm-up. Plus you can toggle off power to interrupt overheating. Also, Julia has a Robot. :wink: At times when a La Pavoni or other machine has fully warmed up for lighter roasts, if I want a milk drink, I'll pull the darker roast on my Robot and use the other machine for steaming. It's nice to have an array of cooking tools so you can make what you want on the fly.
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What I WOULD do for a good cup of coffee!

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#19: Post by ojt »

Good combo indeed
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#20: Post by baristainzmking (original poster) »

Girl's gotta have her toys!

Thanks for all the advice!
Julia