Dating vintage espresso machines [ANCC, Serial] - Page 12
- IamOiman
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Wow thanks a lot @IamOiman, that's a beautiful acquisition.
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Thank you!
I am curious about my Zodiaco and seeing where it ends up on your chart. I presume my Mercurio is right in line with your fit curve.
I am curious about my Zodiaco and seeing where it ends up on your chart. I presume my Mercurio is right in line with your fit curve.
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The Mercurio is right on the curve for the "manometer date" curve (with different serial numbers series than the one holding a ANCC number on the boiler). As the Urania from @condino, his other 2 machines fit on the regular "ANCC" curve (thanks a lot by the way ).
For the Zodiaco, unfortunately, since it was manufactured in Spain, the numbering is not the same. It certainly follows it own logic... but I have no other data point.
For the Zodiaco, unfortunately, since it was manufactured in Spain, the numbering is not the same. It certainly follows it own logic... but I have no other data point.
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Thanks Simon.
Knowing that each Italian province have their own ANCC numbering, that's interesting because Udine is also the province of production for the La San Marco machines. Hence, I have already few data points that should lead to a fitting curve similar to the one for Milan (Gaggia, FAEMA, La Pavoni)... if other owners continue to post.
Knowing that each Italian province have their own ANCC numbering, that's interesting because Udine is also the province of production for the La San Marco machines. Hence, I have already few data points that should lead to a fitting curve similar to the one for Milan (Gaggia, FAEMA, La Pavoni)... if other owners continue to post.
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This is not an ANCC number but rather a date for a piston spring on my Mercurio. I have not ever seen this before where the spring itself is stamped with a FAEMA logo and date (July 1957). I initially thought the spring was really grimy but in fact it appears to be made of bronze after cleaning it. This may just be a single instance but I am really curious to see if others are out there.
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Now for the 4 digit machine from condino. If we take that as a "regular" serial, it will date the machine somewhere is August 1953.
But... the tag is one without ANCC number, hence it is certainly a much later machine. As cuppajoe's machine the manometer indicates 1956 (10-56).
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I will rather believe that date.... since the model correspond exactly to the patent I was talking earlier (close to Vincent's Mercurio, dated 11/56 with a serial # 9932):
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This patent (with the peculiar helical pipe at the back of the boiler) was deposited in Italy, May 25th 1955.
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More interestingly, if I consider the few Gaggia numbers without ANCC, the 9388 serial will point to mid-1956.
Maybe that parallel numbering was a kind of "unified" system... or machine from Italy but specifically destined to exportation. [/quote]
That's my daily driver Urania beside an e61 and I'd like to conferm the idea of an exportation model, as I bought the Urania in France.
But... the tag is one without ANCC number, hence it is certainly a much later machine. As cuppajoe's machine the manometer indicates 1956 (10-56).
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I will rather believe that date.... since the model correspond exactly to the patent I was talking earlier (close to Vincent's Mercurio, dated 11/56 with a serial # 9932):
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This patent (with the peculiar helical pipe at the back of the boiler) was deposited in Italy, May 25th 1955.
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More interestingly, if I consider the few Gaggia numbers without ANCC, the 9388 serial will point to mid-1956.
Maybe that parallel numbering was a kind of "unified" system... or machine from Italy but specifically destined to exportation. [/quote]
That's my daily driver Urania beside an e61 and I'd like to conferm the idea of an exportation model, as I bought the Urania in France.
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