Argos lever espresso machine by Odyssey Espresso - Page 38

#371: Post by **Jonk** » February 6th, 2023, 1:35 pm

boren wrote:The Argos with its PID and multiple sensors is supposed to be better than the Flair

Not at all. An open boiler is easier to control. Closing it up like on the Argos means having access to steam, but also makes achieving desired brewing temperatures more challenging. The graphs shared by Ross show some fluctuation*. Argos is supposed to manage temperature better than say a Pavoni Europiccola - but if you want something more stable; better have a look at Strietman or perhaps the upcoming Meticulous.

*which can be just fine!

February 9th, 2023, 6:47 am

I Would appreciate some thought or opinions on the two options offered "" The Argos Digital Bluetooth Pressure Transducer"" and the '" The Argos Analog Pressure Gauge""..
I would suppose they are only optimized with the 'Argos Piston Assembly''. I'm just not that clear, if that's true.
Do you think that any of these two additions will assist making a better shot or help create special coffee profiles with the Argos?
Have you considered any one of these options for your personal machine.?

#373: Post by **Jonk** » February 9th, 2023, 8:43 am

Shakespeare wrote:Do you think that any of these two additions will assist making a better shot or help create special coffee profiles with the Argos?

Yes, if you use the manual setup or try to manipulate the spring pressure, a gauge will be very helpful. The digital version would help with consistency, but an analog gauge can get you most of the way there.

#374: Post by **RTOBarista** » February 9th, 2023, 9:02 am

Update today from Ross,

As mentioned previously, we have about 70 extra units in this first batch of over 600. We will open these up for sale this Friday, Feb 10 at 10am MST. Once some machines have been reviewed, we will fully open orders for a second batch, ideally in mid Feb. These will see a small price increase as well as some very minor changes to optimize design and bring part cost down.

#375: Post by **bgnome** » February 9th, 2023, 9:11 am

Shakespeare wrote:I Would appreciate some thought or opinions on the two options offered "" The Argos Digital Bluetooth Pressure Transducer"" and the '" The Argos Analog Pressure Gauge""..
I would suppose they are only optimized with the 'Argos Piston Assembly''. I'm just that clear, if that's true.
Do you think that any of these two additions will assist making a better shot or help create special coffee profiles with the Argos?
Have you considered any one of these options for your personal machine.?

I ordered the analog pressure gauge because I like gauges.

The digital will be useful if you like pressure profiling shots. You will need to use the Argos app or the SEP app. Neither gauge will be particularly useful when set up as a spring lever.

#376: Post by **renatoa** » February 9th, 2023, 9:12 am

Only the digital version, combined with a BT connected scale, will allow plotting of an extraction profile, and (trying to) reproduce it later.
The analog pressure can help you doing a similar task when paired with a timer, but not that fancy.
None will extract for you handsfree

#377: Post by **renatoa** » February 9th, 2023, 9:16 am

bgnome wrote:...Neither gauge will be particularly useful when set up as a spring lever.

A spring lever can be helped too, by hand, to get a desired pressure evolution.
The spring is for those unsure on their skills, and who want "reproducible" extractions... well, as reproducible could be a puck prepare/resistance...

#378: Post by **sedy** » February 9th, 2023, 5:17 pm

So far he's been very consistent: shipments are always starting next month.

Typical of young entrepreneurs: optimism and wishful thinking.
But in a way you need that to start a new business.
I think he's competent, honest, and will eventually deliver.

February 9th, 2023, 11:39 pm

I spent a few minutes reading some basic Argos support information offered on the website.
The explanation on the Argos steam production wasn't provided as I hoped it would have.

"" HOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR IT GO STEAM TEMP TO BREW TEMP?""
"It is recommend to pull all shots then stream as it can take up to a few minutes to cool down to brew temp after steaming."

I had hoped the question would have be reversed: HOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR IT GO BREW TEMP TO STEAM TEMP?

OR maybe a little more specific: How much time does it take to build up steam (For Milk) after pulling a shot and pressing the switch??
Anyone have an idea?

#380: Post by **Amberale** » February 10th, 2023, 2:35 am

As I recall from videos freely available on the net.
With shots pulled on the prototype they got the machine to temp, prepared a shot and flicked the switch to steam, then immediately pulled the shot.
Straight after pulling the shot the machine was ready to steam the milk.

How that workflow varies with multiple shots remains to be seen but this is not a production line espresso machine.