Newbie wrote:With all due respect, I don't have the time to read. That's why I made the post
Dan wrote:Then I don't have the time to reply.
Newbie wrote:Wow. Mature of you.
Dan wrote:Not sure what you expected. You're lazy. I don't help lazy people. No shame in that.
Newbie wrote:I'm not lazy. I'm just rich and busy. What research do I have to do? I said what I need it for. It's my first home machine. Going to use it for myself and my girl. You could've just given me answer by now. But instead, you'd rather teach me a lesson.
Dan wrote:You may be rich, but by refusing to read the previous postings of others, you abuse their willingness to offer their time and expertise. You'll only ask the next in a long series of newbie questions that have been answered many many times before. Boooooooorring.
Don't worry, you'll find someone else who will gladly offer you advice. My guess is you're too lazy for the sort of equipment they'll recommend, and in the end you'll get some overpriced PoC Saeco/Jura super-auto. If that works for you, go for the Nespresso. They're cheap, easy, and don't require you to read anything.
Perhaps you cannot see how naive your question was... it's like walking into a pro-car forum and asking "I love great cars, which should I buy?" Duh.
Newbie wrote:Bro. Don't care about boilers and milk frothers. Just a good machine. I still challenge you to just let your pride go an answer the question.
Dan wrote:OK, from top to bottom, with only 5 minutes thought given to the question:
La Marzocco GS/3
La Spaziale Vivaldi II
Cimbali Max Hybrid
Vibiemme Domobar Super (or Quickmill Vetrano if plumbed-in)
Mazzer Super Jolly
Compak K10 WBC
Ponte Vecchio Lusso
Le'Lit PL53 (small footprint) or Mazzer Mini
Newbie wrote:There we go -- thanks! Just curious, have u heard anything about the nespresso line?
Dan wrote:Yes, that it was I recommended to you in my earlier reply. It is ideal for those who want quick espresso, though it's only marginally better than a super-auto. If you search the site on 'nespresso', you will find plenty of discussions. I know, I know... that would take your time, which is far too precious.
This exchange has left me wondering about the "newbie noise" generated by members who find HB via search engines, read for 5 minutes, then post their question.Newbie wrote:Thanks!
On one hand, new members are the lifeblood of a growing community. Statistically speaking, new members start the majority of discussions that ultimately end up in the FAQs and Favorites, so no matter how you cut it, they're not exclusively asking 'dumb' questions, they're often the catalyst behind innovative thinking, even if they're not the contributors of innovation. On the other hand, a constant barrage of repeat questions will drive regulars away. What to do?
At this point, we continue to do what we've been doing. Offering friendly advice, pointers to existing discussions, and hope that patience pays dividends later. That said, my concern about the degrading noise/data ratio continues, even thought we're still a ways off from an intolerable level. I think about the different site policies for membership. At one extreme, there is coffeed. At one time joining required an application, complete with a list of coffee credentials, though their policy has changed a few times over the years. Coffeegeek and HB have an open membership, though some new members complain this site's anti-spam captcha images are so challenging, they represent a barrier to entry (spammer-friendly free e-mail sites like hotmail are also banned, which keeps spam to an absolute minimum, but earns me a few hate mails a year).
Technological barriers aside, I think there is room for consideration of a hybrid membership model, e.g., you can join immediately, but cannot post for the first 24 hours. That would eliminate the hyperactive caffeine-filled cross-posting fool blanketing the espresso Internet thinking they're the only one who's heard of Google. It would also serve as a means of encouraging a few hours of perusal before launching into "help me" mode. Then again, it would irritate just about anyone who joins, in the same manner as asking your recently arrived guests to cool their heels outside while the people you really prefer to see have time to arrive.
PS: For those new to HB, this post is a continuation of my semi-retired blog Overextracted.