What constitutes a 'true' cappuccino?

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rferoni

#1: Post by rferoni »

So what is a 'true' cappuccino? A single shot in a 5oz. cup or a double shot in the same or larger cup? From looking at so much info researching my first espresso machine I have come across different variables in what makes a cappuccino, well, a cappuccino. Just curious is all......

Ron(ordering the Anita on monday...)

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hbuchtel

#2: Post by hbuchtel »

This (old) news article might help-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/ja ... insection1
Italians are very proud of their traditional coffee, and even have a National Institute for Italian Espresso. Use the following recipe to make your own perfect cup.

Ingredients

125ml milk, no warmer than 3-5C, containing a minimum of 3.2% protein and 3.5% fat

25ml shot of hot espresso coffee

Directions

Add coffee to a 150-160ml capacity ceramic cup

Froth milk with steam to a temperature of 55C, and add to cup

Add sugar and stir gently
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roblumba

#3: Post by roblumba »

wow, that means they use only whole milk. I've been in the habit of 2% milk. I actually recently bought a half gallon of whole milk to try it out again after years of 2% milk I forgot the difference. It's seems to me that there is very little difference.

Abe Carmeli
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#4: Post by Abe Carmeli »

That translates to ~1 oz coffee and ~4 oz milk. After steaming, the traditional cappuccino cup in Italy is ~ 6 oz liquid and foam where the foam is ~ 2 oz, or in volume takes about a 1/3 of the drink. I have seen it prepared at times with 1.5-2 oz coffee in Rome.

At the USBC judges training workshop, I've heard it referred to as a drink of thirds. Third coffee, third milk, third foam, though I'm yet to see a competitor who served a double shot cappa.

As a side note, for a stronger coffee flavor, the Italians serve a drink named Cappuccio which is a ~4 oz Cappuccino. (less milk).
Abe Carmeli

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#5: Post by King Seven »

It's name comes from its strength - the Italian drink likely stemming from the Viennese kaputziner, a drink whose ratio of coffee and milk was such that its brown colour was that of the capuchin monk's robes.

The third thing is the result of bad grammar (I reckon*), and whilst I've only had a few dozen capps in Italy, all have been small (5-6oz) and all have had a single shot no bigger than 30ml.

Speaking to the guys at the INEI they claimed that the foaming comes from an old habit (over 100 years old) of boiling milk til it foamed and then pouring strong coffee into it. (chocolate was then used to hide the ugly hole). How much of this is true I don't know but any definition of a cappuccino that is specific about foam is likely a much more modern one.




* I own a lot of books on coffee, and all descriptions of cappuccino from about 1960 to 2000 with very few exceptions describe capps as:

A cappuccino is a single shot of espresso, mixed with an equal amount of foam and milk.

Which could mean 1:1:1, or it could mean 1:2:2 (about where its at in reality), or even 1:3:3 but I don't think that would taste good.

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RapidCoffee
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#6: Post by RapidCoffee »

Abe Carmeli wrote:That translates to 1 oz coffee and 4 oz milk. After steaming, the traditional cappuccino cup in Italy is ~ 6 oz liquid and foam where the foam is ~ 2 oz, or in volume takes about a 1/3 of the drink. I have seen it prepared at times with 1.5-2 oz coffee in Rome.

At the USBC judges training workshop, I've heard it referred to as a drink of thirds. Third coffee, third milk, third foam, though I'm yet to see a competitor who served a double shot cappa.

As a side note, for a stronger coffee flavor, the Italians serve a drink named Cappuccio which is a ~4 oz Cappuccino. (less milk).
One part espresso (25ml) to five parts milk (125ml), sure sounds like a latte with lots of foam. Maybe that's the "correct" distinction: lattes have the same amount of milk but less foam than cappuccinos.

I guess I'll have to start calling my "double espresso plus 3-4oz microfoamed milk" a cappuccio doppio. Nobody will know what the heck I'm talking about, but sometimes that's the price you pay for correct terminology. :P
John

Abe Carmeli
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#7: Post by Abe Carmeli »

RapidCoffee wrote:I guess I'll have to start calling my "double espresso plus 3-4oz microfoamed milk" a capuccio doppio. Nobody will know what the heck I'm talking about, but sometimes that's the price you pay for correct terminology. :P
Hey John, don't discount us all. On a good day I think I'll be able to break that code. :). Well, maybe.
Abe Carmeli

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Psyd

#8: Post by Psyd »

King Seven wrote: or even 1:3:3 but I don't think that would taste good.
Still suffering from the plague (some have called it 'flu', but that really doesn't sum up how I'm feeling to well...) I pulled a coupla lackluster and low volume shots on the lever this morning, because my GF hadn't had a decent coffee in over a week (you know I'm sick, I'm not interested in coffee...). I had already poured the milk into the pitcher, and already put sugar in it, so I just poured what art I could into what little coffee I got. 1:3:2 (espresso:milk:foam) was about what it ended up, and it tasted a bit like a caramel. Mostly milk with sugar peeking out, and a bit of a chocolatey coffee-like aftertaste. I'd have sinked 'em both if I had had the energy to start again. Either she is a total charlatan, or she's being very kind to me, because she said it was, "Very good!"
I though it kinda sucked.
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rferoni

#9: Post by rferoni »

So everyone...
rferoni wrote:So what is a 'true' cappuccino? A single shot in a 5oz. cup or a double shot in the same or larger cup? From looking at so much info researching my first espresso machine I have come across different variables in what makes a cappuccino, well, a cappuccino. Just curious is all......
:lol: :lol:

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Spironski

#10: Post by Spironski »

So there is no consensus! And I am happy with it . In most cafés you will get a 1:2:2, I guess, but I like 1:1:1 more. At home I do whatever I (and my GF) feel like, and that's okay, isn't it?
It doesn't bother me what the official name would be for the drink I make, as long as it tastes good. Sometimes I make myself a Spanish-style "Cortado", which translates to a 2:1:1. It lies inbetween a macchiato and a strong cappuccino, then. In the end there is an infinite choice of proportions between espresso and milk... :D