Weber and Acaia (Orbit) - Page 2

#11: Post by **Jeff** » October 6th, 2021, 12:43 pm

I agree that there's a gap between the $800 Niche Zero or barely single-dosing DF64 with SSP burrs and a modern 64 mm designed for and excelling with single dosing. I would be very surprised if two firms that cater to luxury are going to fill it. At least from what I've seen so far, the old-school, European makes aren't reasonably addressing it either. Baratza seems a likely candidate, but the Vario+ seems like "a swing and a miss" to me.

#12: Post by **nyzt_98** » October 6th, 2021, 12:53 pm

I agree - acaia or weber won't fill that gap.

At the same time, if it is priced higher than P64, I would be curious to see how they differentiate themselves from the P64. P64 uses top of the line burrs, has good alignment - nothing major to fault.

About who can fill in the gap - my bet is on fellow

Fellow ode isn't bad at all and I believe was mostly a product decision to go for the sub-300 market. It is easy to visualize an ode with better burrs, better variable rpm motor, better alignment.

Baratza appears to be largely lazy over the years because they keep selling well what they have

#13: Post by **Jeff** » October 6th, 2021, 3:21 pm

Having watched the live-stream presentation just now, a couple of bits of information that were presented that people might be interested in:

Edit: The recording is available. I'm leaving my impressions, but please watch it yourself before getting to the spoiler

Grinder starts at around 18:00

Spoiler: show

#14: Post by **Auctor** » October 6th, 2021, 3:27 pm

thanks Jeff. I hope they take this time to solicit and incorporate feedback from the coffee community. Would love a killer feature or something else...app-enabled, bean counter, built in scale, interchangeable burrs, something that distinguishes it from Lagom and Kafatek...and with that level of retention, Eureka.

#15: Post by **sethde** » October 6th, 2021, 3:35 pm

How would you incorporate a bean counter or grind by weight in a grinder that's single-dose only?

#16: Post by **nyzt_98** » October 6th, 2021, 4:28 pm

I saw the livestream too.

I didn't clearly understand how this is positioned relative to P64 either. But if they can provide a similar grind quality with baratza/ode level of availability, that is a solid problem being solved - but they didn't promise aiming to solve the availability problem on the stream

#17: Post by **JB90068** » October 6th, 2021, 9:16 pm

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

It will be interesting to see the final version. I'd be willing to guess it will be a very nice grinder.

#18: Post by **jinrowang** » October 6th, 2021, 10:14 pm

Here you can check it out

October 6th, 2021, 10:16 pm

For the love of god, scrap all the app connectivity ideas. It will provide no utility, complicate repairs, and increase costs.

October 6th, 2021, 10:25 pm

I thought the idea of having a movable motor was a game changer!

How about if it could walk the dog and balance the checkbook?