tompoland wrote:I've got two of them and I'm pretty happy with them.

They are sitting on my bench next to two Niche Duos. Pros and cons with both. The Vs are smaller which I prefer. I also prefer the start button on the V as opposed to the swith that sticks out on the Duos. I prefer the no-bellows-needed of the Duos.

There are more differences of course and none of them are deal breakers or deal makers for me personally.

I would think that anyone with either grinder would be pretty happy with their purchase

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How do the GGs compare to the DF DLC?

malling wrote:Just wait for v2, they seem to address most issues in the following iteration.

But the grinder just launched here in EU. A hypothetical DF62V V2 would be months away from now... in case the ever release it, which might not be the case, we can't know for sure. xD I know they did release new itinerations for the DF64 and the DF83, but still... I wouldn't take for granted just yet.

LObin wrote:The 220v version doesn't seem to suffer from stalling at low RPM settings like the 120v version does.
I see your in Spain so that's a good thing going for you.
Lance Hedrick said in his 64mm grinder showdown that the DLC produced results very similar to the 64mm Gorilla Gear burrs.

Yes, that's what I've heard too, that the 120v version suffers from this issue a lot more. But I've seems people who own the 220v version complaining about it too, even with the new control board and doing a hot start, so I don't know, it seems to be kind of random. Maybe they're using very low RPM to grind very lighty roasted beans? That would be a challenge for any grinder I suppose. Lance said he couldn't stall his new unit (equipped with the new control board, unlike the first one he got) even with very dense beans and a cold start, and The Coffee Chronicler did suffer from some stalling but he just confirmed to me his unit has the old control board, which makes sense.


Leaving those stalling issues some people report aside truth is the grinder looks amazing, to be honest. I'm looking for a grinder for espresso and I was torn between the Niche and the DF64V (and maybe the Timemore Sculptor, but who knows when it will be available for purchase), but to top it all a couple of days ago I heard for the first time of the new DF64 Gen 2 (which is equipped with a new plasma generator to help with static that seems to work very well), so I'll have to make up my mind or I'll be waiting forever. LOL

Thanks a lot for your answers, guys, I really appreciate it. =)

Yakoh wrote: But the grinder just launched here in EU. A hypothetical DF62V V2 would be months away from now... in case the ever release it, which might not be the case, we can't know for sure. xD I know they did release new itinerations for the DF64 and the DF83, but still... I wouldn't take for granted just yet.

With the issues there currently is with stalling and their record of continuing updating their products within months, I'll say it rather certain they update it.

There where 5 version on the G1 DF64 and they are on V2 on DF83 currently, that only had 1-2 months out with V1 on the European market before V2 where available.

They have now made a G2 of DF64, yet to be released in Europe but probably even that won't be too long.

Yes, that's what I've heard too, that the 120v version suffers from this issue a lot more. But I've seems people who own the 220v version complaining about it too, even with the new control board and doing a hot start, so I don't know, it seems to be kind of random. Maybe they're using very low RPM to grind very lighty roasted beans? That would be a challenge for any grinder I suppose. Lance said he couldn't stall his new unit (equipped with the new control board, unlike the first one he got) even with very dense beans and a cold start, and The Coffee Chronicler did suffer from some stalling but he just confirmed to me his unit has the old control board, which makes sense.


Leaving those stalling issues some people report aside truth is the grinder looks amazing, to be honest. I'm looking for a grinder for espresso and I was torn between the Niche and the DF64V (and maybe the Timemore Sculptor, but who knows when it will be available for purchase), but to top it all a couple of days ago I heard for the first time of the new DF64 Gen 2 (which is equipped with a new plasma generator to help with static that seems to work very well), so I'll have to make up my mind or I'll be waiting forever. LOL

Thanks a lot for your answers, guys, I really appreciate it. =)

My guess the issue is the motor, the control board might help a bit but I not been able to find any sort of information on the motor itself other then being brushless DC.

The Sculpture also stall in the 64mm variant so I'm not sure it's really worth waiting for next year for unless you want a vertical mounted burr grinder.

After some stall issues my vendor sent me a new version of the board. It's an easy swap and no stalls through the entire rpm range with stock, SSP cast or SSP espresso burrs.

That's good to know. Still weird how some 120v units with the updated boards are triggering the fail safe and others aren't.

What are you impressions so far on variable RPM for the 3 different burrs you've tried? How would you say the DLC compare to the Cast?

I like the DF DLC burrs for milk based drinks, the flavor really punches through the milk.

The GG DLC (they are both Diamond Like Coating) offer more flavor notes and I prefer them for medium and medium/light espresso.

Had a slight hiccup with my local postal service and only got the grinder yesterday. So far the impressions are good; even got a nice hand-written note from frekko.nl recommending grinding ~150 g of cheap coffee at setting 45 before proper use. I might try making espresso tomorrow (so will have to catch up to that 150 g of coffee fed through), but for now I've been enjoying delicious french press even with these grounds (I assumed it's still safe to drink, and french press is very accommodating with grind size).

Based on initial testing, you *can* still make the grinder stall, but it only happened at extreme settings (minimum grind size, minimum RPM, light roast) so far. I'll of course update if that changes. But definitely always run it with a hot start; the motor is very quiet when running empty, especially at lower RPMs, so there's simply no disadvantage to it and you just might prolong its lifespan by doing so.

Between cast and the stock DLC I strongly prefer the Cast. Between Cast and SSP espresso it's tougher for me to choose with straight shots. For my 5oz caps I like the SSP espresso burrs better. Right now I have the SSP espresso in the DF64v and the cast in the og DF64.

I've also found cutting the flap off of the spacer/gasket makes my workflow a lot more enjoyable:

Selvy wrote:Had a slight hiccup with my local postal service and only got the grinder yesterday. So far the impressions are good; even got a nice hand-written note from frekko.nl recommending grinding ~150 g of cheap coffee at setting 45 before proper use. I might try making espresso tomorrow (so will have to catch up to that 150 g of coffee fed through), but for now I've been enjoying delicious french press even with these grounds (I assumed it's still safe to drink, and french press is very accommodating with grind size).

Based on initial testing, you *can* still make the grinder stall, but it only happened at extreme settings (minimum grind size, minimum RPM, light roast) so far. I'll of course update if that changes. But definitely always run it with a hot start; the motor is very quiet when running empty, especially at lower RPMs, so there's simply no disadvantage to it and you just might prolong its lifespan by doing so.

Hi! How is that testing going? Everything good so far? Anything else you want to share with us? I take it that you own the European 220v version with the new control board, right?

Yakoh wrote: Hi! How is that testing going? Everything good so far? Anything else you want to share with us? I take it that you own the European 220v version with the new control board, right?

Sorry it took me so long to reply! Had a holiday trip and took a while getting back to my espresso machine (BBP) due to buyer's remorse with its built-in grinder etc...

I've been using the DF64V to make french press and recently a few espresso shots. So far I've been very impressed with its consistency. Adjusting the grinder's dial by 1 had a consistent change in the shot time, and for this medium-roast coffee I found a sweet spot at setting 14 (18 g in, 36 g out, 28 s, using a paper filter and puck screen). I will try more challenging light roasts later.

As for french press, I've been experimenting with light roasts using medium'ish grinds between 45-60, and got the tastiest results at the lower end of that. I used a simpler version of Hoffmann's method.

One small negative is the grinder sometimes, at the lowest RPMs, made a whiny noise that sounded like something was getting stuck in the works. It comes and goes as coffee passes through the grinder, and mostly just happens at the lowest RPMs. I haven't yet figured out what's causing it. But it's not very disturbing and to my knowledge doesn't impact the performance.

Let me know if there's anything specific you'd be interested in knowing. Overall, I love this small, quiet, consistent grinder. And yes, it's the EU version ("G-IOTA VS"). I don't know for sure if it has the new board but I would assume so. At least I haven't had stalling at real-world parameters.