Tasting comparison between Sweet, Ode 2, Sculptor 64s and 078

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Acavia
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#1: Post by Acavia »

https://community.prima-coffee.com/posts/36269891

Prima Coffee did a tasting comparison between the four grinders. As he finds and states, his findings seem different from Youtubers review of these grinders.

Findings in video:

Highest clarity and acidity: Lab Sweet
Sweetest: Lab Sweet (078 second highest)
Highest Body: 078
Lowest Clarity: 078
Lowest body: Lab Sweet

Interestingly, he found the 64S Sculptor was most balanced of the four and it had higher clarity and acidity than the 078.

BreakerStrength
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#2: Post by BreakerStrength »

For those wondering: The host of the video does not necessarily recommend upgrading from an Ode to either the 64s or the 78 Turbo, which I think can help a few people with their FOMO. And is not in love with the 078.

Hopefully the video is a good reminder of the subjective nature of tasting and the importance of enjoying what you have!

ibsprocket
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#3: Post by ibsprocket »

Please note that neither sculptor had been seasoned. Ode and labsweet had been.

LewBK
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#4: Post by LewBK »

Ah, those slurping videos, so pleasant on the ear! Part of me thinks watching them that this is what happens to lit, history and philosophy majors when they get out of college. In fact, the subjectivity of the analysis, and the grading, reminds me of the liberal arts--so difficult to evaluate with any true objective precision. Yet the fact that the Sculptors didn't blow the Ode or Lab Sweet away after all the Sculptor hype does amuse me.

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#5: Post by Milligan »

Thanks for the video. He noted the burrs were not seasoned on the Timemores. How much difference that makes is anyone's guess. While cupping results that YouTubers like to do give some insights, I do wish they would run them through a pour over to be able to speak to how a person would use them day-to-day. No one brews their coffee with the cupping protocol in the morning. Although it is easier to do A-B testing with that protocol, I understand that.

How will the Timemores taste? Who knows? Seems to be all over the place.

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#6: Post by Iceman2913 replying to Milligan »

I like to brew a small 10 grams after cupping just to compare, drinking versus slurping the cupping bowl definitely helps you get a feel, but not quite the same.

Lance did recently state today that the 078 felt good to go out of the box but seasoning does help.

I am personally glad more people are getting their hands on these grinders rather than the same 3-5 people.

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#7: Post by malling »

BreakerStrength wrote:For those wondering: The host of the video does not necessarily recommend upgrading from an Ode to either the 64s or the 78 Turbo, which I think can help a few people with their FOMO. And is not in love with the 078.

Hopefully the video is a good reminder of the subjective nature of tasting and the importance of enjoying what you have!
I think I see it a little more then that, testing is also about how you conduct them, how big a sample you used and not at least what coffee and roast you exposed it for.

If one review use a medium the outcome is going to be different then one using a very light roast.

Lance about FOMO is certainly true, his point upgrading is something you do if all other has been optimised before, meaning buying better coffee, using optimised water, improving our technique before upgrading out gear....

The Meticulous is really also a great example of FOMO

iBrew
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#8: Post by iBrew »

Interesting... seems maybe the 078 has been a bit over hyped... much like the ZP6. I'm Interested in The Coffee Chronicle review of the 078.

Iceman2913
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#9: Post by Iceman2913 replying to iBrew »

He always gives the most grounded reviews

malling
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#10: Post by malling »

Personally I have issues with most cupping that actually aren't cupping but actually brewed, because it might just be the result of the brewing your testing on. The most accurate and reliable is true cupping, when I valuate burr it's always done with cupping alternative If I do a brew I always validate or back up with traditional cupping.