Struggling with DF83 pour over - Page 2

#11: Post by **LObin** » April 4th, 2023, 11:07 am

XJ9 wrote:So right now I didn't remove the only one declumper...
I saw from YouTube that someone suggested not to press bellow should improve pour over experience

Yep V2.
Remove it and blow the hell of that bellows

Your burrs being new also need seasoning. Grind consistency will improve over time

#12: Post by **malling** » April 4th, 2023, 11:11 am

G1 only had two of those flappers one as the one of your pictures the other a star, if you have just the flapper and it hooked up to an ioniser it's G2

April 4th, 2023, 11:14 am

ok, so i have a v2 df83 which i thought its v1.

what is the best solution for v2 now?
simple remove the only one declumper?
will that metal declumper works for v2? i mean can it fix/improve the regrinding issue?

April 4th, 2023, 11:20 am

Your not banging that bellows hard enough, if you just nurse it like a newborn babe grind will build up over time and you get issues with old grind in the brew as well as more reginding issues it's a common issue with Turin grinders. You need to smack it like you mean it.

April 4th, 2023, 11:40 am

really dude?
should i bang it during grinding or after grinding?

i really want to have slightly less fines and slightly better pour over.
i know nth is perfect on both espresso/pour over, but i just want slight improvement

April 4th, 2023, 11:52 am

I seen way to many being overly gentle with those bellows, if you don't smack those hard enough it hardly has any effect, I believe Kyle also touches this in one of his videos. You can smack it after it stopped expelling grind while still running, it's the most effective way to get the most out, I also believe Hedrick dos this.

April 4th, 2023, 12:07 pm

i see your point on "getting the most out".
but is that going to change the fact that "it has too many fines"?

Thanks.

#18: Post by **AuFinger** » April 4th, 2023, 12:18 pm

I found the DF83 produces a lot of fines and has regrinding issues, plus built-up retention in the chamber and chute. Together it can be frustratingly inconsistent. I imagine this would be particularly problematic for pour-over brewing. YMMV, so it might be hard to nail down causes and fixes. It has a lot of potential for the price, so there's a lot of enthusiasm about it, but it's a project, and people should know that before buying.

#19: Post by **malling** » April 4th, 2023, 12:39 pm

XJ9 wrote:i see your point on "getting the most out".
but is that going to change the fact that "it has too many fines"?

Thanks.

The small retention in SD grinders tend to be mainly finer particles as these tend to get charged and stick, this is especially true in the chutes, if you don't remove those by blowing the bellows it will build up over time and you potentially get excessive amounts out especially when doing coarser grinding as it tend to dislodge more. You need to clean out as much as possible every single time or you going to get these into your brew when you change to filter.

All that said your burr as I originally pointed out is espresso burrs with a more bimodal distribution, this means these produce a noticeable amount if fines naturally. But it's going to be worse if you don't clear out after espresso, get grinds build up, the latter can eventually lead to regrinding that make it even worse.

#20: Post by **LObin** » April 4th, 2023, 9:06 pm

XJ9 wrote:i see your point on "getting the most out".
but is that going to change the fact that "it has too many fines"?

Thanks.

Jack, are you ignoring me?? Lol
I have several months of experience with my DF83 V1 (soon to be V2). I have shared my thoughts based on my own, real life experience with this grinder.
At this point, it's up to you to experiment and figure out what works best for you.

Options:
1. Keep the declumper , use the blower while burrs are running, allow several KG for the burrs break-in.

2. Same but use the bellow after and discard.

3. Remove the declumper and test with or without the bellow.

4. Nothing works good enough so it's time to explore other options like metal declumper (I doubt it's worth it on a V2), Mazzer brew burrs, SSP HU or Cast (April release).

You have a V2. I've seen a few videos of the chute with plasma generator after several days of usage. It's 10 times better than V1.