Ursego wrote:After reading your long post I almost canceled my order of 078s. But then I decided to reread and accidentally discovered that it was about a completely different grinder.

I had a heart attack as well. Was just mentally prepping myself to cancel my 078! Back to the waiting room here in the US..

Ursego wrote:After reading your long post I almost canceled my order of 078s. But then I decided to reread and accidentally discovered that it was about a completely different grinder.

yes, I was asked a very specific question....and answered it. Which all stemmed (and branched out from) from new products and problems.

Ben Z. wrote:Your explanations don't really jive with my experience in the cutting tool industry.

The cvd and pvd coatings you mentioned aren't really for hardness. They are too thin. It's wear resistance and maybe friction reduction.

Lots of tool steels can be machined readily in the annealed condition and, I would have assumed, they are final ground after heat treat.

I have had significant experience and you're making broad brush statements, then drawing inaccurate inferences. This is not the place to really discuss metal treatments and grinder burr manufacture, but contact me via PM, and I will happily enter into a more detailed discussion, with you on any reference papers you link to. I am always willing to learn more.

Your assumptions about tool steel are broad and need to be more specific to the application and specific type of tool steel, in this case burrs? Grinder burrs would normally be machined (cutting surfaces) after the hardening process to ensure they remain dimensionally accurate and flat. Stainless coated burrs present other problems of manufacture.

Sorry to ask this, but the thread is too long and the forum navigation is a PITA (5 posts per page...).

To those of you using these for pour over, what's your today's impression of this grinder (mainly looking at the 078) and what cons did you find? I did watch all the videos of the influencers and I'm pretty close to deciding on the 078 for pour over, but I don't want to make another mistake as when I bought the Ode gen 2* close to the release date.

*If anyone cares, I'm not sure if it's mine but I find it highly inconsistent, particularly with retention, but I also have to grind way coarser than what I read in the internet (close to 7, being 0 when the burrs chirp)

PS: In Europe there are no distributors selling the Lagom P64 or Zerno or any of the other new ones, and I will not buy imported as I want local (i.e. EU) warranty.

Option-O can be bought in Europe

https://www.baristashopen.se/kaffe/kvar ... n-64mm.php

Acaia Orbit can also be bought in Europe from their eu shop site.

The ones that can't be bought are Kafatek, Weber (should be working on it) and Zerno.

The sculpture needs about 7kg of coffee before it performs its reported by several by now.

oh, good to know. Then I need to decide if it's 1000 euro more worth it than the 078

malling wrote:The sculpture needs about 7kg of coffee before it performs its reported by several by now.

078S perhaps, but we don't have the same reports for 078. I wish they'd gone for a different naming scheme




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