tagheuer wrote:Whoa, sorry if I offended you. Thanks for the personal insult, but I'll stick with my Profitec and Specialita thank you very much

This grinder was really hyped and three reviewers now say it channels like crazy and requires perfect puck prep.

The latest review says it is quite poor until you run 7 or 8kg thru it, hence why I brought it up.

I backed it and dropped it, credit to Timemore for refunding me fully.

The grinder has shipped to various countries, just not the US.

Specialita here is $970 CAD and the 078s is $670 CAD.

If you're worried about the burrs wouldn't the intro price for the 064s be a better bet with aftermarket ssp burrs and then just swap them in eliminating the need to season the burrs?

mmg wrote:Funny talking about grind size distribution if the first 7kg are full of steel.

That's a huge stretch. How much steel is there in total? I bet a fraction of a gram.

Anyway, the need to season this much is definitely unusual. But if you add 7 kg of the cheapest coffee you can get to the price of the grinder...is it a big deal really? The KS price still looks like a huge bargain to me unless some more important issues show up...

If anyone has some ideas on how to accelerate burr seasoning and minimize waste, I'd appreciate it if you could share your thoughts / experience in this thread:

What's the fastest & least wasteful way to season burrs?

ILikeTurtles wrote:Specialita here is $970 CAD and the 078s is $670 CAD.

If you're worried about the burrs wouldn't the intro price for the 064s be a better bet with aftermarket ssp burrs and then just swap them in eliminating the need to season the burrs?

You can order a Specialita from anywhere in the world for around 300 euros from Espresso Coffee Shop.

DaveC wrote:Don't know about the Ode, but I have a Weber Key and that has issues.

Curious what types of issues you've had with the Key? I've owned one for 18 months and have been pleased with it. Big upgrade over Niche.

1. During assembly whoever made mine didn't give a fig about over tightening and poor fit. This meant that a simple job of adding the antistatic scraper/wiper was impossible without damaging the finish of the grinder. They say to hold the shaft with rubber gloves (that's a laugh) to undo the allen bolt at the bottom to fit the wiper. This is impossible with a polished shaft and an over tightened allen bolt.

So we are told to remove the gearbox cover and put an allen key in the hole to hold the shaft still while we undo it. There is only 1 supplied that fits and it's too thin and bends, the key you want to use is in your hand undoing the nut...thanks Weber. Thanks for putting the hole under the gearbox cover so I have to take that off, instead of further down the shaft.

Thanks again whoever decided that because the gearbox cover didn't fit, they would bash it in with the heel of their hand making it impossible to remove without slipping a flat blade in the gap at the rear which I could just open up using a pair of special grip gloves. Then a massive thanks to whoever used the weak powder coat that chipped away like chalk, not only where I had to lever it out with a flat blade, but at the front where the person assembling it rammed it in.

2. It's an absolute static monster underneath and the antistatic blade does little to help with this...loads of coffee under the burrs.

3. At lower speeds it can struggle

4. Burr alignment is a slight issue, although the grind quality (taste wise and shot performance) is OK to good, not fantastic and possibly for the money paid you can get better..

5. The lid thing rattles when grinding and the hole is very awkward to feed beans though

6. The grind cup with the insert. Easy to catch on the static wiper when replacing, removing, magnetises to the grinder, but the part that sits on the portafilter is not magnetised and only has a slight ridge, so easy to dislodge when removing the inner part to let the coffee though.

7. Generally quite a messy grinder to use.

8. Stepped and easy to loose your espresso setting when changing to filter and back (really easy)

9. I think there are better grinders for the same or less money (UK Cost).

I think that's all of the negative points covered. To be balanced

1. It looks fine
2. Speed control works well within the limited workable range
3. It's quiet when running. Although I still need to do comparison decibel measurements running/grinding.

P.S. I've never damaged anything (coffee) in 20 years taking it apart and putting it back together again, and especially not when performing basic maintenance as per the user guide!!

DaveC wrote:1. During assembly...

After reading your long post I almost canceled my order of 078s. But then I decided to reread and accidentally discovered that it was about a completely different grinder.

DaveC wrote:The cheaper burrs are stainless because it's easier to machine, but they really do have to be hardened, normally with an amorphous carbon coating ("Diamond Like Carbon"), or TiN coated (Titanium) with a gold colour. Many of these Chinese burrs that are coated can be likened to an M&M, hard on the outside soft on the inside. Mazzer Burrs are tool steel and SSP coated burrs are tool steel with a coating TiN, TiAN etc..

Your explanations don't really jive with my experience in the cutting tool industry.

The cvd and pvd coatings you mentioned aren't really for hardness. They are too thin. It's wear resistance and maybe friction reduction.

Lots of tool steels can be machined readily in the annealed condition and, I would have assumed, they are final ground after heat treat.