i backed the 78s. The problem with Charlie's review isn't the flavor profile preference between clarity and body, but rather the fact that he claims nearly every shot he pulled at any RPM over the absolute slowest suffered from significant channeling and spurting wet coffee everywhere. He claims to have tried lots of different coffees, about 8 to 10kg.

As far as I know, he is the *only* reviewer to say every shot he pulled at anything above the lowest RPM was not good...due to channeling and spurting. he is a significant outlier in that regard. if what he says is accurate, that's a huge problem....the grinder is basically unusable at anything other than the slowest RPM. That's really bad. How could every other reviewer (and the manufacturer) miss such an obvious problem?

He further states he sifted the end results and had a pretty terrible distribution of fines and coarse particles, which is exactly the opposite of the nice bell curve of particle distribution claimed by TImemore (complete with graphs on its website).

this is way beyond a preference for clarity vs body, if his review is accurate the grinder can't even perform its basic intended function of an even distribution of grinds and the variable RPM is useless. Why in the world would anyone pay $500-$600 for a grinder that results in such unevenness that it causes sputtering and channeling on "nearly every shot" as Charlie claims?

You'd be better off with something like an Encore ESP etc...

So something is really wrong here...

No one else experiences it what dos that tell you? either the mistake is on his behalf or he got a pair of defective burrs, or else everyone would report it. Since that isn't the case the problem is solely with him or his unit.

The latter happens even for SSP

That said sifting the way he dos is not particularly accurate, it can say about if your got it somewhat more accurately aligned or have a pair of defective burrs but it's really about it. It really says nothing about the actual PSD as it's simply put way to inaccurate method.

Sorry but I don't trust him enough as a reviewer I seen him include stuff that tells me he isn't something I'll base anything on, the sifter is really point of case.

He is if anything a proof of take these influencers with some pinch of salt or more like a container load of salt.

malling wrote:I seen him include stuff that tells me he isn't something I'll base anything on, the sifter is really point of case.

Yeah, I really wish people stopped using sifters to judge grind uniformity. Coffee grounds are irregular solids, not perfect little spheres. Small differences in agitation will greatly impact the result.

thanks.

i've been lurking and researching for a while now, and backed the 078s as my first grinder, and looking at the Profitec Go or Rancilio as my first machine.

I was going to start with Breville Bambino, but after reviewing Reddit, this forum, Facebook etc for a few months i'd rather spend a bit more upfront and buy quality and keep for a long time.

that's the problem with YouTube...i'm the first to admit i am totally unqualified to make a video review of espresso equipment. I have no idea if that Charlie guy is a good reviewer or not, but it seems rather irresponsible to publish a negative review like that...i get he didn't watch any other reviews before posting his, to remain unbiased, but he really should watch the others now.

because what he said is totally contradicted by every other review, and its really hard to take him seriously. if I did the same thing, i'd have to acknowledge that something was wrong with my particular unit or my "testing"...if no other person had this same problem.

i'm not expecting the 078s to be perfect, just looking for a solid, well built grinder that works for my home use.

Cuprajake wrote:Have you seen Kyle's review of the timemore?

They may have more 'power' but when one can't even get close to burr chirp without nearly stalling I'd say it's got a weaker motor.

Don't just go off ratings of watts

Both a weak and a powerful motors seem to handle the load just fine, but the weak motor may be running almost at its limits, which could affect the longevity. It's like Toyota Corolla and Porsche Macan - both can reach 100 km/h in 10 sec, but on Corolla you need to press the gas pedal maximally while on Macan you just slightly touch it.

malling wrote:We are talking about the zero not the Duo, in other words he has the zero not the duo, you can also stall the zero with a light roast easily enough just saying, I seen zero shake absolutely violently and rattle like crazy with a light roast... there is no way this is worse and it's KS price is lower then zero.

He didn't stall it, it was the the protection feature that kicked in at the lowest RPM at a finer then useable espresso grind setting

We have seen in videos that the powerful 078 (or 078s?) stopped working with light beans, but the weak Duo successfully ground unroasted beans. That says nothing about the power but says a lot about the quality of the fool-proofing electronics.

In fact, that's what you wrote later (I quoted you before reading this comment ):

malling wrote:A safety feature is kicking in once it gets over a certain threshold to prevent overload, this doesn't mean the grinder would necessarily stall without this in place

Please link to these videos. The only stalling on the 078/s motor that I've seen was Kyle on grind setting zero at 800rpm with a light roast.

tagheuer wrote:
i've been lurking and researching for a while now, and backed the 078s as my first grinder, and looking at the Profitec Go or Rancilio as my first machine.


i'm not expecting the 078s to be perfect, just looking for a solid, well built grinder that works for my home use.

I think as your first Grinder for the purposes you listed - it is going to be fine. Don't worry about it.