Helor Stance Motor, is it a Monolith Conical alternative?

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Vloxm0335

Postby Vloxm0335 » Jul 12, 2018, 11:38 am

Greetings all. I would like to seek your advice. I want to upgrade my grinder and have been waiting for a Monolith. But it is always sold out very quickly. :(

Recently, I found out Helor is releasing a new product on their website and Instagram. It is an electric grinder with 83mm conical Mazzer burrs, based on their existing Helor Stance.

The price is very reasonable, in fact, for a similar amount of price, I can get a much bigger 83mm Mazzer burrs compared to the Monolith 68mm. And it looks very nicely built. Also, I am very attracted to it because as I understand the construction of Helor Stance is entirely stainless steel, no aluminium that will touch the coffee. However, I could not find any review on this.

I am currently using Mazzer Mini and want to upgrade the taste of my coffee.
Is this a good upgrade for me? Does anyone have review or experience on this? Very appreciate your opinion.

samuellaw178
Team HB

Postby samuellaw178 » Jul 12, 2018, 8:15 pm

I have a Monolith Conical and it's a great grinder so the bar will be really high to be considered its peer. :shock: But the Helor Stance does look pretty good & very promising. I have briefly tried the Helor Stance's prototype (manual version) and it was pretty good. Alignment and construction were very solid to my eyes. The only quibble at the time was I suspected that the Italmill burrs was the weak point (seems to taste a bit brighter than my Pharos/Robur and I preferred shots that are less bright/more balanced - just personal preference). Now that I see that the Helor Stance Motor comes standard(?) with the Mazzer Robur burrs, this could indeed be a viable alternative. Perhaps I could ask nicely for a review unit and compare it to the Monolith since they are also located in Melbourne. :lol:

In their demo video, I can only hear the sound of beans crushing, and not the motor. And from memory, the manual version of Helor Stance was very quiet. So it's a good sign!

Most importantly, the motor eliminates the problem with cranking light roasts (i.e. typically a chore especially with manual grinders like HG-1 and to a lesser extent with geared-down grinders like Kinu M68 or the Helor Stance) and should result in a more consistent RPM (no jerky action with light roasts). So it should be an improvement over the manual version. Wonder what's the watt rating on the motor.

In terms of taste upgrade, it'll definitely a huge upgrade over your Mazzer Mini if you're drinking espresso. Even with the brighter taste profile, I preferred the Helor Stance prototype (due to more clarity) over the Helor 101 I have that's supposedly to be 'better' than Mazzer Mini based on others' experience.

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sweaner

Postby sweaner » Jul 12, 2018, 9:24 pm

Vloxm0335 wrote:no aluminium that will touch the coffee.


I don't understand why this would matter in a grinder...or anything, for that matter. Aluminum does not cause any proven pathology, and would not be "getting into" the coffee in a grinder.

You would think that if aluminum caused dementia, and with people being more cautious about that, the incidence woudl be decreasing. It is not.
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mivanitsky

Postby mivanitsky » Jul 12, 2018, 10:11 pm

Burrs aren't aluminum. Who cares?

Anti Vaxxers I guess.

bettysnephew

Postby bettysnephew » Jul 13, 2018, 3:57 pm

Some folks are scared of their own shadow or even less dangerous things. My Dad owned a mortuary. Big news here folks, you are going to die of something so enjoy the trip while it lasts. Don't do something REAL stupid but have a good time along the way as the destination is the same for all of us. Nobody gets out of here alive!
Suffering from EAS (Espresso Acquisition Syndrome)
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mauijer

Postby mauijer » Jul 13, 2018, 4:00 pm

Looks beautiful. Samuel if you get your hands on one I would certainly love to hear your impressions.

walt_in_hawaii

Postby walt_in_hawaii » Jul 13, 2018, 4:47 pm

+1!

cafemolino

Postby cafemolino » Jul 13, 2018, 8:49 pm

I love the design, simply beautiful

and it should be very quiet....

Combined with best materials such as specialised ceramic bearings Zr02 and so on
https://helor-coffee.com/stance
https://www.option-o.com/helor-stance-motor


next grinder

BillBurrGrinder

Postby BillBurrGrinder » Jul 15, 2018, 9:49 am

I own the Monolith Conical and here's the scoop... it's a beautiful machine built very solid, but it's not magic. Any grinder with good burrs that are aligned properly and stepless will produce the same thing. I do like that you can adjust the size to French press if you'd like but maybe you can do that with the Helor. Maybe the larger burrs will help produce more grind size consistency within a given shot, and it might translate to better tasting.

I'd say go for it if it's similar priced, especially if it's significantly cheaper.

cmin

Postby cmin » Jul 15, 2018, 2:48 pm

Damn that looks nice, and always good to have options. Any idea of pricing?