A few important points that are mentioned in the next video:

• Pre-breaker allows you to grind light roasts at low RPM without the danger of not having enough motor power.
• Low RPM - more clarity, high RPM - more body. As expected. The 500-1500 range is much better than 800-1400 in TimeMore 078s (the lower end is much more important!).

As for the video's title, Niche-killer, seems like a misnomer. Shouldn't it be more like Nautilus-killer, Zerno-killer or EK43-killer...

Right now, Alex Sechin, with only Gevi videos posted, is indistinguishable from a Gevi shill, at least to me.

I'm looking forward to your review, if you keep the order.

He isn't the only one stay Goldman coffee co has also only Gevi content... seem like paid work from Gevi, now I personally don't like using terms as Shill... but it's definitely questionable "review" and all warning signs is definitely lighting up.

Jeff wrote:Right now, Alex Sechin, with only Gevi videos posted,

In that case...

Capuchin Monk wrote:Zerno-killer

I don't know if it's a killer or not (could be, considering being better on many aspects for less money), but it certainly ranks with the very respected grinders (photos by Alex Sechin, taken from the Gevi FB group):

The Zerno killer (I really hate that term) is probably more the Mazzer Philos then this and the price are fundamentally the same once out of Indiegogo campaigns.

It's good to see they listen to customers feedback, but at retail prices I still believe it's overpriced

Also do people still not get its the torque that matters not the power of the motor

malling wrote:The Zerno killer (I really hate that term)

What about Nautilus-killer?

is probably more the Mazzer Philos then this and the price are fundamentally the same once out of Indiegogo campaigns.

It's good to see they listen to customers feedback, but at retail prices I still believe it's overpriced

Also do people still not get its the torque that matters not the power of the motor

Brushless DC motor is said to have the upper hand in torque compared to AC motor of similar size (Philos?).

Capuchin Monk wrote:What about Nautilus-killer?


Brushless DC motor is said to have the upper hand in torque compared to AC motor of similar size (Philos?).

Torque is much more then just the wattage of the motor or the type of motor it also depends on how it's set up, like is there gear reduction etc. The whole reason why especially cheaper mass production manufacturers use high wattage motors is that it sounds good, it's purely for marketing reasons, but at end of the day it's still a very cheap motor and would always be worse then whatever small manufacturer tend to use as they don't care if you grinder brake in two years time, they don't focus on having it run the next 10-20 years in fact they probably dread that.

A Philos will last you 15-20 years easily it's a one time investment it's durable and long lasting product, this is not. It's the specs vs quality.

This is a DF type grinder and while that is fine and made gear more accessible for the masses, let's not convince ourselves it even remotely gets in the ballpark of mazzer in terms of actual quality.

malling wrote:Torque is much more then just the wattage of the motor or the type of motor it also depends on how it's set up, like is there gear reduction etc.

Based on the sound when it's on (before coffee beans are dropped), one can tell if there is gear or not, quiet spin means burr base is direct mount to motor shaft, whining sound means gears like grinders around $300. Geared ones are more prone to wearing for obvious reason. From what I can tell, Gevi is not a geared grinder.

Perhaps the reason for Philos to have fixed speed is because of its AC motor not having much torque at low speed.