Fellow Ode brew grinder review - Page 25

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coffeeOnTheBrain

#241: Post by coffeeOnTheBrain »

I believe it was John from Decent who said lately that chinese factories struggle to fullfill all their orders due to halted production caused by corona and that QC is the first thing that was stopped to save time. So maybe Fellow is not really to blame for this.

PS: that said, I would be pissed too if I would be a backer :(

nicholasnumbers

#242: Post by nicholasnumbers » replying to coffeeOnTheBrain »

Fellow is responsible for their product; no one else. When manufacturing overseas you need people there to ensure everything is meeting your expectations. If you can't travel there personally, someone within the country has to be hired to help do this. I wouldn't pass the buck off and blame anyone other than the company who owns the end product.

Nick

coffeeOnTheBrain

#243: Post by coffeeOnTheBrain » replying to nicholasnumbers »

You are absolutely right and I blame DHL for every delayed package, but the one time the truck burnt down due to a car accident I just hoped that the driver is ok.

jng0714

#244: Post by jng0714 »

I was watching Fellow's "how to replace your burrs" video posted Oct 14, and noticed this gem at the end of the video:

No distinction between the SSP "brew" and "espresso" burrs :|



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Balthazar_B

#245: Post by Balthazar_B »

jng0714 wrote:I was watching Fellow's "how to replace your burrs" video posted Oct 14, and noticed this gem at the end of the video:

No distinction between the SSP "brew" and "espresso" burrs :|
Perhaps Fellow made a leap of faith in assuming that customers knew what kind of grinder they were buying? Especially the ones who know a burr from a saddle, and that in this context, SSP is not an abbreviation for the Scottish Socialist Party.
- John

LMWDP # 577

Kaffeind

#246: Post by Kaffeind »

Hi y'all,
Thought I'd add to 'JustPruIt' comments. I received the Ode a week ago. I concur with JPI's astute observations. I haven't done much more than a mix of minute rice & grindz to clean it and 60 grams of beans to season the Ode a bit. I've used an Ascaso I2 mini as my daily grinder and Kalita wave 155 for pour over; typically home roasted Ethiopian varietals. Admittedly a small sample size but here's what I found. Started with 15.5 gr beans. Kruve sieve.
Ascaso >1200: 3.1 gr, <500: 2.2gr, yield: 14.5gr. Ode (checked factory calibration-burr rub at '0') Ode setting 4: >1200: 2.1 gr, <500: 2.3gr, yield: 14.0gr.
Ode setting 3: >1200: 1.4gr, <500: 2.4gr, yield: 14.4gr. (these were all done without RDT and without using the grinds thwacker) Brewed: Kalita wave 155 14gr Ode at '3'. bloom 20 sec and total draw down of 2 min 45 sec. Marked difference in flavor cf Ascaso! (I have a dull palate) Nuances and richness I hadn't perceived before. My takeaway is much less 'boulders', more uniform grind and all the chaff (Ascaso couldn't grind) was pulverized by the Ode. Agree with others about the retention issue. Am keeping the Ode.
Regards to all.

roxtc

#247: Post by roxtc »

Just got mine today and I wasted no time running it through its paces. (Seriously UberEats came a couple minutes after my delivery and I could care less about food, and usually I hate cold food) I ran about 200g of coffee through it to lightly season the burrs and to dial in the grind size. I tried to match my Baratza Vario with Steel Brew Burrs's grind size, I thought I got it close if not slightly coarser but at this point I'm pretty much at the finest couple settings so when I got a bit of choking with my V60, it was a relief. It's a bit concerning still as it really doesn't give you much margin to work with. Really surprised that's where Fellow decided the range of the burrs would end. I did not open up the grinder or anything because frankly I don't believe I should have to. I don't have any noise, mine is from Crate and Barrel in Canada. I used a free sound meter app on my phone and there's not 0.1 decibel of difference with the grinder being on and off.

I found that with darker roast coffee, I had very little static, retention. I could pretty much get 0.1 g or less of retention without RDT. Light roast coffee was a different story. Without RDT I lost 0.5 g in one of my grinds but with RDT again it was 0.1g or less.

Coming from a Vario with brew burrs my expectations were pretty managed. I hoped that it MIGHT be close to the grind quality, and if it was, I may be content enough to make this my main grinder given the aesthetics, the form factor being shorter and easier to use under a cabinet and the quicker and quieter operation. So far I've had a cup probably in the ballpark of the Vario. Possibly better or a slightly different profile but definitely very good.



matthewlese

#248: Post by matthewlese »

Good to see a few more people with positive opinions. Hopefully everyone who's dissatisfied can get things resolved soon. I'm still waiting (direct pre-order)...frustrating that they're fulfilling for C&B before all their backers.

STG

#249: Post by STG »

roxtc wrote:Just got mine today and I wasted no time running it through its paces. (Seriously UberEats came a couple minutes after my delivery and I could care less about food, and usually I hate cold food) I ran about 200g of coffee through it to lightly season the burrs and to dial in the grind size. I tried to match my Baratza Vario with Steel Brew Burrs's grind size, I thought I got it close if not slightly coarser but at this point I'm pretty much at the finest couple settings so when I got a bit of choking with my V60, it was a relief. It's a bit concerning still as it really doesn't give you much margin to work with. Really surprised that's where Fellow decided the range of the burrs would end. I did not open up the grinder or anything because frankly I don't believe I should have to. I don't have any noise, mine is from Crate and Barrel in Canada. I used a free sound meter app on my phone and there's not 0.1 decibel of difference with the grinder being on and off.

I found that with darker roast coffee, I had very little static, retention. I could pretty much get 0.1 g or less of retention without RDT. Light roast coffee was a different story. Without RDT I lost 0.5 g in one of my grinds but with RDT again it was 0.1g or less.

Coming from a Vario with brew burrs my expectations were pretty managed. I hoped that it MIGHT be close to the grind quality, and if it was, I may be content enough to make this my main grinder given the aesthetics, the form factor being shorter and easier to use under a cabinet and the quicker and quieter operation. So far I've had a cup probably in the ballpark of the Vario. Possibly better or a slightly different profile but definitely very good.

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I'm coming from Vario with brew burrs and I agree with your observations. Because I too was down to the last few clicks I recalibrated to MAKE SURE the burrs chirped at the finest setting. Calibration is dead easy on this grinder.

coffea

#250: Post by coffea »

Compared to a Vario with steel burrs and the Virtuoso, The Fellow seems to allow for a faster pour over draw time using a medium to coarse grind. In comparison, the Vario and Virtuoso appear to generate more fines leading to extended draw times and over extracted brews. The Vario with steel burrs is limited to a moderate grind. The Fellow's auto shut off is useful, however, it is defeated by the grinding of a few, approximately < 5 beans; the grinder remains "on." The grind times are blazingly fast, and the noise level sounds more subdued than with the Virtuoso. Chaff generation has not been a problem; after finishing the grinding process, I wait approximately one minute, flick the chaff release lever several times, and remove the grounds container. I then as previously suggested, use the side of my hand to direct the chaff on the plastic top to the opening, gently tap the bottom edge of the container against my palm to release the grounds from the container walls, and then pour the contents into the filter paper. Thus far, I have been very pleased with the Ode that has exceeded expectations by enabling a coarser grind without "stalling" during a pour over.