Thanks for your hands on, Todd. It largely confirms my impressions on the device, but I feel the urge to point out a couple of things here and there:
hanmak17 wrote:Clearly Bplus was influenced by La Pavoni and their classical Italian design. The device looks like something that one might have found on the shelf of an old Italian cafe, only more robust and sturdy.
Well, consider the following the comment of one Italian, I cannot speak for the whole country. For what concerns the design, to me it looks more about how Italian design is perceived rather than it actually is. To my eyes the shapes are too baroque and out of context. Sure it recalls classic Italian architectural shapes, but this thing is a damn grinder, not a church's column. We had Achille Castiglioni and Giò Ponti,
to name a couple, which were active in the heyday of classic espresso machines, come on...
Since it was on a five axis milling machine to make the flute milling on the body, why not make it heptagonal rather than fluted round, with 3 mm radius on faces ridges, and blend with the upper and lower straight cone? That would be some heck of ergonomic, industrial design.
On one thing we alll agree, quality here is well beyond expectation. To me it looks like BPlus made the design, then it outsourced to a shop specialized in high-end photographic equipment, with the only drawback of the fine thread for the catcher. AUUUUGH!! Why you did not took another classic hallmark of the business, that is the rounded edge coarse threads of all
hanmak17 wrote:... and doesn't lend itself well to repeated changes of adjustments. However the design enables very precise adjustments that allow you to precisely dial in the grind for a type of bean or brew...
Uh? no, I can dial back and forth with no issues. I've made a log, with the resulting taste and tamp needed for various coffees and need, it just goes back to where I want every time I need.
hanmak17 wrote:... I'd also encourage them to put a zero line on the dial adjuster. This would make it much easier to dial in repeatable grind settings for different brews or beans. However I would not bow to what is sure to be complaints that the grind settings are to granular. Having the ability to make micro-adjustments is a clear advantage for any type of brewing in my opinion.
This is the most confusing part, as my experience is different from yours and differs from user instruction, too!
In brief, mine has a reference line, laser etched, maybe not a monster of visibility, but is there:
Then the instructions say that there is no reference zero, just read the number on the index when the burrs lock in, and count 8 major divisions to get into the espresso range, the sweet spot should be around 8 to 10 from "zero".
Well, I may be the lucky one, but:
- my burrs lock in exactly at zero
- a faint rub when the dial is set to 1
- no rub, but no coffee out at 1.2
- coffee grounds start to flow regularly around 4. At this point the grounds are so fine to choke the machine even without tamping
- around 5 or something the water makes its way thru the grounds, leading to a poison that has nothing to do with coffee.
- The sweet spot in my sample is between 8.2 and 10.2, just as per instruction, with the plus that the numbers do coincide.
Kind_Karma wrote:It looks like there are similarities to the design of Kinu M47
I've never seen the Kinu M47. But based on what I've heard, while the general setup is the same (can we count also the AEgrind, 101, C40...) there is some difference:
-The upper body is one piece. No funnel separation if you drop by mistake.
-the Burr seat is made with mechanical tolerances in mind, no matter how tight they are. You can dismantle and put back together just like a rifle would do. No need to force or hammer anything.
-The adjustment dial does not need to be locked in, it moves with minimal effort ad just stays where you leave it.
hanmak17 wrote:Much easier to grip. They also include a few branded rubber bands, which can be stretched over the body to create an even gripier surface.
Mine permanently on:
I find a little hard to grind for my taste, but Jeeez, it is fast
. I would never trade a lower effort for a slower grinder, and is good exercise when you wake up in the morning, too!