You gotta love Hansung inconsistent naming schemes and burrs that get small modifications, mo wonder it's hard navigating in. The best way is almost always to write him or get them from Titus.

I think SSP only has one 98mm cast burr and it's been called both cast and pre 2015. They've had slight differences in the finishing section over time (like most SSP burrs) but the cast blanks should have been the same ones all along.

Titus used to sell recent Mahlkönig EK43 burrs but with the finishing section recut by SSP to pre 15 and coated. They probably had unused burrs as they sold EK43 grinders aligned and often fitted with SSP burrs of choice and their own burr carrier, before they started production of their own grinders. Titus now likely only sell the new SSP cast/pre 15 with their own coatings (maybe even with SSP coatings)

By the way I like the coating Titus use for their burrs, and they also say they measure every SSP burr they sell and say they do get some sets they reject (or maybe fix) so I feel more assured I'm not getting a lemon from Titus.

I also understand cast burrs can warp a little over time, especially if the cast unfinished burr hasn't been allowed to rest long enough before its getting cut.

The 98 machined Brew burrs isn't in their webshop, they keep it custom order, but when Titus made SAP make the machined Brew burrs I have a screenshot of even those burrs being called Pre 15, probably because of the same finishing section of the Pre 15 burrs.

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GorchT wrote:I checked my emails with frank from Titus he called one of them cast and the other ones pre15 in 2021. Maybe he then confused something I don't know.
Maybe he confused something becuase in the invoice for my nautilus it says "filter" which is German for brew. So on the right might be the brew burrs and on the left then the cast burrs. Then the brew worked quite well for espresso atleast for me.

There is 1 thing which you guys seem to ignore. Time/development doesn't stand still.
2 years ago the cast burrs were state of the art, why is that when Mahlkönig burrs existed already?
Because the Mahlkönig 98mm cast burrs are never made as accurate as SSP machines their burrs.
20 micron on each MK burr can make the difference between OK and not OK.
After long discussions with Hansung, we wanted to have the burrs made to our specs which is very simple.
Make them like you revise the Mahlkönig burrs when "resharpening" but not in cast material to have a more reproducible way in machining and coating. (cast would rust after machining without hardening and coating)
The final result was the custom brew burr which we and many others use as the ultimate brew burr.
We stopped selling the cast burr, as we often got them sent back and people were unhappy with them due to the huge ammount of fines.
Here some pictures of the brew burr.

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There is 1 thing which you guys seem to ignore. Time/development doesn't stand still.
2 years ago the cast burrs were state of the art, why is that when Mahlkönig burrs existed already?
Because the Mahlkönig 98mm cast burrs are never made as accurate as SSP machines their burrs.
20 micron on each MK burr can make the difference between OK and not OK.
After long discussions with Hansung, we wanted to have the burrs made to our specs which is very simple.
Make them like you revise the Mahlkönig burrs when "resharpening" but not in cast material to have a more reproducible way in machining and coating. (cast would rust after machining without hardening and coating)
The final result was the custom brew burr which we and many others use as the ultimate brew burr.
We stopped selling the cast burr, as we often got them sent back and people were unhappy with them due to the huge ammount of fines.
Here some pictures of the brew burr.
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Sorry Frank if misquoted something, just wanted to clear up the fog but maybe made it worse. I guess one of the biggest issues with this is that SSP doesn't have a version number or a catalogue which is complete, which of course is their decision.

Terranova wrote:m

There is 1 thing which you guys seem to ignore. Time/development doesn't stand still.
2 years ago the cast burrs were state of the art, why is that when Mahlkönig burrs existed already?
Because the Mahlkönig 98mm cast burrs are never made as accurate as SSP machines their burrs.
20 micron on each MK burr can make the difference between OK and not OK.
After long discussions with Hansung, we wanted to have the burrs made to our specs which is very simple.
Make them like you revise the Mahlkönig burrs when "resharpening" but not in cast material to have a more reproducible way in machining and coating. (cast would rust after machining without hardening and coating)
The final result was the custom brew burr which we and many others use as the ultimate brew burr.
We stopped selling the cast burr, as we often got them sent back and people were unhappy with them due to the huge ammount of fines.
Here some pictures of the brew burr.
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Hi, since you're here, do you have any insight about the evolution of the Brew burr? Clearly the inner row of cutting teeth has shrunk further in compared to the first versions that came out.

Those are some great brew porn pictures. Thanks. Now, I see a goal to strive for and work towards with flats (for now at least).

And ... just in case you were not already confused, Hansung posted on IG yesterday:

Ssp_grinding: We offer four types of burrs for the EK43.

1. HU - single dose espresso
2. LU - High volume espresso, Filter
3. Ultra - Cupping, Brewing
4. PRE2015 cast burr - Commercial Filter coffee

In the video, you can see that the Ultra burr has the longest cutting edge among the four types of burrs mentioned earlier, while also having the smallest flat surface in order to make less fines of coffee.

As mentioned multiple times, TC (tungsten carbide) is the strongest material in the world. By utilizing this incredibly strong material, we can create the sharpest edges. By using tungsten burr set, we can have the sharpest edge for the longest duration.

Blades made from tungsten can last for an unknown lifespan, potentially even being used by someone's descendants long after time has passed. Thanks to all customers and coffee lovers.

giorgos.pap2: I've seen another labelled as "Brew". Is that one the four listed above?

ssp_grinding: @giorgos.pap2 it is order made one. HU+pre2015

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baldheadracing wrote:And ... just in case you were not already confused, Hansung posted on IG yesterday:


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Atleast it seems like they try to make it less confusing for the future. Most likely we need to be more careful when comparing "older" versions since we can never be sure if someone has version 1.0 or 1.4 ....

Confused enough, no? Ok here we go.
Han sells 4 98mm versions on his site, one is called "pre2015 cast burrs". All other ones are machined. Yet there are 2 different cast 98mm burrs shown.
http://www.espressotool.com/?idx=3

Those are older pictures, and yes SSP is always confusing.