Grinders are one of the keys to exceptional espresso. Discuss them here.
Oh yes.. that's very unfortunate.. (That's a very good thing for the Ultra, this is unfortunate for the comparison)coffeemmichael wrote: the HU burrs in ultra are screw-less-- can't mount into Max
Now I see better what you mean and well.. I'll play with your words.. if we assume there isn't a massive difference in alignment then the Ultra is a $1000 cheaper grinder so..coffeemmichael wrote: This assumes there's a massive difference in alignment and that the behavior will change above 400rpm
$1000 cheaper than what? A Monolith that is made in the USA vs. a grinder made in China by Zhang and 'aligned' by Eric et al.?one_good_coffee wrote:Now I see better what you mean and well.. I'll play with your words.. if we assume there isn't a massive difference in alignment then the Ultra is a $1000 cheaper grinder so..
FYI The Kafatek motor is manufactured by Oriental Motor in Japan.
And SSP burrs are from South Korea
LOL if my response is aggressive then you must have self-quarantine too long... not sure how stating how something made stateside cost more than something made in another country cost less (labor arbitrage). No doubt there are smart people everywhere - it's just a fact it cost more to make things stateside especially the way Denis makes things.one_good_coffee wrote:First of all, do you need to be so aggressive?
Then really? Are we still here in 2020 discussing USA vs China? Is it patriotism or something else?
The device that you use to write this message is 100% made in China. So much good stuff is made in China (so much bad stuff too, but they're not mutually exclusive). Do you realize how many parts of your espresso machine are made in China?
There are very smart minds everywhere in the world, I don't think we should segregate nor we should exclude some of them based on where they're from, and even more in our field where we don't have much people to begin with.
And by the way, your coffee is not made in the US either.
Has nothing to do with patriotism but rather response rate and accountability.
I am sure there are components on the 24V board from China ... but if I had to guess... probably the bits that have 'made in Italy' on them There is a lot of that happening now...Chinese buying Italian firms, doing the production in China, and then shipping to Italy for assembly...one_good_coffee wrote:Do you realize how many parts of your espresso machine are made in China?
I have done a lot of business in China and here's the thing that most don't realize or take into account when outsourcing production to Chinese suppliers... it's only cheaper at volume (as in 10s of thousands or 100s of thousands)...
Again, this is not a comment about China vs. USA manufacturing so please don't try to turn it into that to divert people from your original questions which was:
one_good_coffee wrote:Now I see better what you mean and well.. I'll play with your words.. if we assume there isn't a massive difference in alignment then the Ultra is a $1000 cheaper grinder so../quote]
This is the answer to the "so..."
Totally unreasonable these days to judge quality on country of origin. It is the dedication of the worker and company to adhere to a quality, not where they reside. I remember well pulling into Shanghai's main rail station after travelling for hours on a train where the speed was flicking between 300 to 320kmh, then seeing 30 similar trains already in the station. In the US most trains seem rarely to do much over 100kmh. I wouldn't judge either country on that, but clearly the Chinese can make good high speed trains.