one_good_coffee wrote:First of all, do you need to be so aggressive?
Then really? Are we still here in 2020 discussing USA vs China? Is it patriotism or something else?
The device that you use to write this message is 100% made in China. So much good stuff is made in China (so much bad stuff too, but they're not mutually exclusive). Do you realize how many parts of your espresso machine are made in China?
There are very smart minds everywhere in the world, I don't think we should segregate nor we should exclude some of them based on where they're from, and even more in our field where we don't have much people to begin with.
And by the way, your coffee is not made in the US either.
LOL if my response is aggressive then you must have self-quarantine too long... not sure how stating how something made stateside cost more than something made in another country cost less (labor arbitrage). No doubt there are smart people everywhere - it's just a fact it cost more to make things stateside especially the way Denis makes things.
Has nothing to do with patriotism but rather response rate and accountability.
one_good_coffee wrote:Do you realize how many parts of your espresso machine are made in China?
I am sure there are components on the 24V board from China ... but if I had to guess... probably the bits that have 'made in Italy' on them
There is a lot of that happening now...Chinese buying Italian firms, doing the production in China, and then shipping to Italy for assembly...
I have done a lot of business in China and here's the thing that most don't realize or take into account when outsourcing production to Chinese suppliers... it's only cheaper at volume (as in 10s of thousands or 100s of thousands)...
Again, this is not a comment about China vs. USA manufacturing so please don't try to turn it into that to divert people from your original questions which was:
one_good_coffee wrote:Now I see better what you mean and well.. I'll play with your words.. if we assume there isn't a massive difference in alignment then the Ultra is a $1000 cheaper grinder so../quote]
This is the answer to the "so..."