I ll get rid of a baratza encore , I'll have the zp6 here Friday for pour over coffee.

ZP6 burr is much tighter than C40. Comandante also making more fines. Does it matter? I think it changes the flavor of pour over probably because it changes the water flow. I would imagine the C40 is great for finer grinds...

Hugonl28 wrote:Is this ZP6 any good for AeroPress with relatively fine grind and medium roast beans, looking for maximum sweetness, already ordered the X-Pro, will the ZP6 add anything? Less astringency with darker roasts or just more watery?

I also wondering the exact same thing, did you get any answer on that?

Never got an answer. Been making AeroPress with the X-Pro now for a few weeks, very satisfied. Extremely sweet, very little astringency, almost indistinguishable from AeroPress made with my Bentwood Vertical 63. That's quite impressive I'd say. Also bought the Q2 S now for more compact travel, it only holds max 17-18g (depending on roast) but that's just right for AeroPress. In blind tasting we couldn't tell the difference between X-Pro and Q2 S, after matching grind size using microscope.

The X-Pro is a lot easier to adjust though and I've also made excellent espresso with it on my ACS Vesuvius Evo Leva, even light roast gave good extraction and very little astringency, just a lot of work to grind.

Still curious though what the ZP6 tastes like compared to X-Pro with medium roast AeroPress. But happy for now.

X-Pro has the same Q2s burrset right? It's just easier to set and use

The ZP6 is apparently just more clear. Less fines means more clarity, less sweetness, less astringency and bitterness when going fine. If you don't plan on doing espresso ever, there's no reason not to just get the ZP6. You can have the same sweetness of other grinders by just grinding finer, without hitting that astringency wall as it happens with the Comandante or 1Zpresso K-Series. I'm just so eager to be able to get it in Italy.

supposedly the Q2 uses a 38 mm burr, and the X-Pro is using a 39 mm burr.. but dimensions are supposedly identical, just scaled slightly

Acavia wrote:I found a Home Barista forum review of the original 1Zpresso ZP6: 1Zpresso Zp6 and JS Unboxing, First Impressions, and Review

That post mentions that the 2020 ZP6 had the same axle as some other 1Zpresso grinder of the time.

iBrew wrote:I definitely agree this could have an impact, he seemed to turn on Comandante and has been very favourable towards 1Zpresso. I still like Lance's channel and think he's overall a good guy giving some decent advice. But we always have to take things with caution when influencers are pushing a certain brand regularly. So far most of his advice has matched up with my personal experience such as the Ode with SSP MP burrs, he hasn't really done anything to make me doubt him.

Hello friends! I just wanted to shed some light on this. I'm the one who wrote that HB post which I sadly never got to update. Also the unit in those pictures is the exact unit that I sent to Lance to review. I paid my own money for DHL shipping from the Philippines to the USA just for the chance that Lance's platform would create interest in the grinder I have compared to be the best conical burr hand grinder. Basically my goal was to pressure 1Zpresso to bring back the model and more importantly to give access to the grinder to the international market instead of having to rely on Taiwanese friends to purchase for me (what I had to do).

I genuinely do believe Comandante is making some questionable choices both with the C40 and their approach to the coffee community. Regardless, After the Zp6 and JS/KS, I still believe the C40 performs best, better than the other 1Z models hence my want to create access for people around the world for a better and more affordable alternative to the C40. I wish they also released the KS internationally though. Imagine the same burr but only for $94.

As for why I chose Lance, he's the most frank among the youtubers and a lot of our opinions aligned (niche zero sucks for pourover, etc.) And I find his content to be the most intentionally educational than a lot of the others. I don't want to drag any others down but jesus the type of methodology some of these other guys have.

I have done a bunch of comparisons with some hand grinders. I've done some sifting tests as well back in 2021 (never posted because I see the limitations of sifting as definitive means of measurement) but a lot of the conclusions coming from sifting were still very consistent with taste.

If anyone wants to ask any questions about the original Zp6, just let me know, I'm waiting for my friends to run in their Zp6 Specials before I do a side-by-side comparison with my OG one but it seems like 1Zpresso has been improving out of box alignment even if the new Special does not have the same hex screw alignment-type outer burr carried.

Oh and on the new Specials, we can't seem to grind fine enough for espresso even with a lower pressure shot ~6 bar for standard 1:2 shots at least

Lastly how I sort of visualize the differences

Porlex Mini - 1
Timemore C2 - 4
K Plus - 6
C40 - 8
Zp6 - 8.6
Aligned 64mm Super Jolly burrs - 8.75
SSP 64mm Silver Knight Brew Burrs (OG MPs without the flat edges) - 9
OE Apex - 10

I do think the Zp6 is closer to the SSP 64mm Brew Burrs than the C40 is to the Zp6. Honestly the C40 is still great I just hate its ergonomics and I don't like the company's approach to the community.

The OE Apex is just a completely different flavor profile. Honestly it doesn't work with every coffee and it has so many quirks. I hope the Timemore 078 will give me something more friendly to use lol. Yan I see you're in this thread too the Apex man what a hassle.

marcoffee wrote:The OE Apex is just a completely different flavor profile. Honestly it doesn't work with every coffee and it has so many quirks. I hope the Timemore 078 will give me something more friendly to use lol. Yan I see you're in this thread too the Apex man what a hassle.

Ha..ha..ha.. it does, that is why I have very high hope with the Sculptor 078 I pass some good grinders such as Fuji Royale R-220, ODE 2/ssp mp and keep struggle with the APEX , having other portable grinders (M47 travel & C40) so far so good for all kinds of manual brewing...

marcoffee wrote: Lastly how I sort of visualize the differences

Porlex Mini - 1
Timemore C2 - 4
K Plus - 6
C40 - 8
Zp6 - 8.6
Aligned 64mm Super Jolly burrs - 8.75
SSP 64mm Silver Knight Brew Burrs (OG MPs without the flat edges) - 9
OE Apex - 10

In this comparison are you talking about the classic espresso super jolly burrs, which are similar to the stock burrs in most italian grinders? Are those that good for filter?

Thanks for all the insights though!