Crema vs foam
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Gaggia Classic (old version)
La Cimbali Cadet
Blind OPV (ccw 270°)+ checked the OPV line flowrate (137 ml in 31 sec) -> should be in the 8-10 bar specs
WDT
Steel tamper
Double basket -standard
Fresh: La Messicana Sunrise coffee (more than 2 weeks old)
I have a problem and might need some direction.
The crema has a lot of volume and disappears very quickly. I got the advice to grind finer and less weight. Did work once but can't be reproduced. (I will keep trying, but in the mean time, maybe someone has an idea.)
I want it to look like this:
Instead it looks like this:
Thank you
La Cimbali Cadet
Blind OPV (ccw 270°)+ checked the OPV line flowrate (137 ml in 31 sec) -> should be in the 8-10 bar specs
WDT
Steel tamper
Double basket -standard
Fresh: La Messicana Sunrise coffee (more than 2 weeks old)
I have a problem and might need some direction.
The crema has a lot of volume and disappears very quickly. I got the advice to grind finer and less weight. Did work once but can't be reproduced. (I will keep trying, but in the mean time, maybe someone has an idea.)
I want it to look like this:
Instead it looks like this:
Thank you
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Interesting point I missed when you posted this on the Gaggia Forum is that the roast is getting past its prime.
Age does not lend itself to good crema; why the foaminess, though, I don't have a clue.
Age does not lend itself to good crema; why the foaminess, though, I don't have a clue.
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I can't see the first image in your post but the second one begs the question - are you using a pressurized portafilter?
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I am using a standard basket, i.e. non-pressurized.
Could the popcorning of the beans in the grinder be a reason?
Could the basket be a reason? (a basket with other holes maybe it's better)
Could the popcorning of the beans in the grinder be a reason?
Could the basket be a reason? (a basket with other holes maybe it's better)
- Subrutum
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Try dosing a little more (around 1-2g) and grind it finer so the height of the beans from the screen stays the same.. it usually lowers the flow rate enough to produce a tighter shot. be warned about overheating the beans though. Even if more weight = higher heat capacity, the grounds will tend to burn from the lower flow rate. Happy hunting!
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- bluesman
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I may have missed it in this thread, but I haven't seen you describe how it tastes. This is an important bit of information.vladgiurgiubv wrote:I am using a standard basket, i.e. non-pressurized.
Could the popcorning of the beans in the grinder be a reason?
Could the basket be a reason? (a basket with other holes maybe it's better)
- cannonfodder
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Could be the blend you are using. What is it and how old is it? A super frresh roast will produce a lot of bubbly fast dissipating crema as will a blend with a lot of robusta in it. That aside, crema is window dressing, taste is the product.
Dave Stephens
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The espresso is tasteless.
At the start the stream is very slow and dark for a couple of seconds then it changes to faster and brown.
So I did this experiment:
I poured the very slow and dark stream into a cup and what followed into another.
The first one tasted very nice, the second cup was tasteless.
So now I only have to make the dark stream flow for longer. And I don't know how. If I make it finer the dark stream gets bitter, but then I get channeling. If I put more into the basket, I get channeling again. (I tried to distribute the grinds as evenly as possible... knocking the PF)
At the start the stream is very slow and dark for a couple of seconds then it changes to faster and brown.
So I did this experiment:
I poured the very slow and dark stream into a cup and what followed into another.
The first one tasted very nice, the second cup was tasteless.
So now I only have to make the dark stream flow for longer. And I don't know how. If I make it finer the dark stream gets bitter, but then I get channeling. If I put more into the basket, I get channeling again. (I tried to distribute the grinds as evenly as possible... knocking the PF)