Nuova Simonelli Appia - any experience?

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joatmon

#1: Post by joatmon »

5 liter boiler
1500 watts / 15 amps
97 pounds
direct plumb / rotary
preinfusion
volumetric dosing

WOW! $2500 from Chris. :shock:

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jesawdy

#2: Post by jesawdy »

No experience, but I suspect it ROCKS!

I have been keeping an eye out for smaller used Cimbali and Nuova Simonelli commercial machines. These are my current dream machines, though I have never used either. For some reason, I think I need programmable dosing buttons and to be able to steam a pitcher of milk in 10 seconds (is that so wrong?)! :wink:

Unless you have a dedicated space to put it, this one might be a bit tall at almost 21 inches. It also has an interesting steam lever (versus a knob) I was checking this out on a 2 group NS MAC 2000 at a Carraba's Italian restaurant. That 2 group was way huge!

-Jeff

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another_jim
Team HB

#3: Post by another_jim »

I tried the Aurelia and the GB5 on my favorite blend among the many excellent ones at the Supreme Bean shindig (the Dolce Terra: if you love sweet fruit bombs and think Parker rocks, this one's for you). I thought the Aurelia shots were superb, better than those from the GS5. This is of course with all the usual "this is meaningless" caveats of preset temperatures and pressures, zero experience, etc. etc. The Aurelia is the easiest machine I've ever worked. The GS5 is almost as easy, not the usual LM bear.

The Appia is supposed to have the same group and HX; but maybe not all the same details of jetting and electronic controls.
Jim Schulman

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Marshall

#4: Post by Marshall »

joatmon wrote:5 liter boiler
1500 watts / 15 amps
97 pounds
direct plumb / rotary
preinfusion
volumetric dosing

WOW! $2500 from Chris. :shock:
This is the same machine the NS rep in Charlotte told me would list for $3,700 in the U.S. (and wouldn't arrive here until the Fall). Chris may be running an introductory special. If you have the counter clearance (it's really tall), it's definitely worth a look, especially if you don't change temperature very often.
Marshall
Los Angeles

joatmon (original poster)

#5: Post by joatmon (original poster) » replying to Marshall »

Why not good if you change temp often? Are most/all HX machines easier?

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Marshall

#6: Post by Marshall » replying to joatmon »

The Aurelia depends on a clever system of hot and cold water mixing to maintain its temperature stability. Temperature is adjusted by opening up the machine and swapping gicleurs. There is no simple external control. This works nicely in a commercial setting that always brews the same blend. But, at home it would be a much bigger pain than punching numbers into a PID.
Marshall
Los Angeles

joatmon (original poster)

#7: Post by joatmon (original poster) » replying to Marshall »

You refer to the Aurilia as though it is the same as the Appia. Is it? I understand that a gicleur may be simple to replace. How is it on the Appia?

Thanks,

Jack

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Marshall

#8: Post by Marshall »

I don't know. Ask Chris.
Marshall
Los Angeles

joatmon (original poster)

#9: Post by joatmon (original poster) »

Good suggestion.

I called Chris and spoke with Mary. She said the Appia's temp is controlled by going inside the machine and adjusting the Sirai pressure stat.

Jack

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Marshall

#10: Post by Marshall »

That's what p. 36 or the owner's manual says: http://www.nuovasimonelliusa.com/images ... manual.pdf. But, that's also what p. 12 of the Aurelia manual (same site) says, while everyone else is talking about gicleur adjustments. The manuals also say that pressurestat adjustments should only be made by "a qualified technician." It sounds like NS isn't eager to have end users tweaking the machine.

You are totally beyond my experience at this point, as I have been relying on third party reports and salesman talk in Charlotte. The Appias have just arrived in the U.S., so it may take a while to get a handle on how stable and adjustable they are.
Marshall
Los Angeles