Grind difference between two E61 espresso machines...
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the Isomac millennium I am trying to dial in is doing something weird
I adjusted the blind pressure to 10bars with Eric's pressure gauge on the head and when I make coffee it goes down to 9 bar. The my other machine an original E61 Faema is at to 9 bars .
Now for the weird part.
If I grind and tamp the same way that I do on Faema with the isomac the coffee comes out to runny on the isomac . I need to grind more fine to get a good coffee . Is this normal or all E61 should react the same .
Thanks
I adjusted the blind pressure to 10bars with Eric's pressure gauge on the head and when I make coffee it goes down to 9 bar. The my other machine an original E61 Faema is at to 9 bars .
Now for the weird part.
If I grind and tamp the same way that I do on Faema with the isomac the coffee comes out to runny on the isomac . I need to grind more fine to get a good coffee . Is this normal or all E61 should react the same .
Thanks
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yes it's normal. always will be variations between different machines, and even the same model machines since even the slightest change will impact. while you think the pressure may be 9 bar, they aren't exactly 9 bar and 9 bar. and 9 bar vs 9.01 bar will cause a difference in flow rate.
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I'm assuming the Original e61 Faema has a rotary pump and the Isomac has a vibe pump? Not sure about that, but if so I'd think that would make a huge difference in how the machine behaves.
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In your case, I see several possible reasons, the first four being machine specific. I probably missed something too.
- water debit/flow rate
- head space
- water temp
- OPV/pump pressure set point
- using the same basket for both tests?
- consistency of puck prep
Michael
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This is it. Different water debit means different rate of infusion means different pour times with same grind.randomorbit wrote:I'm assuming the Original e61 Faema has a rotary pump and the Isomac has a vibe pump? Not sure about that, but if so I'd think that would make a huge difference in how the machine behaves.
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In addition, the groups are not identical, and their parts are not interchangeable. There are many different manufacturers of E61 groups, and at least three slightly different designs.
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re. The original E-61 Faema - Did you use Eric's pressure gauge to set that machine as well? If not then it could also be a matter of the pressure gauge on that machine reading a bit differently from Eric's gauge.
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Yes my original Faema has rotary pump set to 9 bar blind filter
The isomac with vibe pump set to 10 bar with blind both set with Eric pressure gage
Same portafilter
The isomac need a finer grind to get the same 25-30 sec
The isomac with vibe pump set to 10 bar with blind both set with Eric pressure gage
Same portafilter
The isomac need a finer grind to get the same 25-30 sec