F02 parameters on Quickmill Vetrano 2B EVO PID?

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robmack

#1: Post by robmack »

Anyone know the parameters associated with the F.02 option on the Quickmill Vetrano 2B EVO? My machine came with a NEMA 5-20P line cord meant to be used with a 120V 20A circuit. My new home doesn't have 20A service to the kitchen outlets; only 15A service. I'm experimenting with trying to reduce the current draw on my Quickmill Vetrano espresso machine by programming the PID. Documentation about the PID options is hard to come by but I did see a post once pointing to PID documentation for the Quickmill Lucca M58 was identical. So I picked up the M58 manual and read about the F.02 option. The manual states:
F.02 Mode Setting - By default the F.02 setting has been set to 4 (15 amp mode) to give priority
to the coffee boiler. The setting can also be set to 6 (20 amp mode) to give power to both
boilers. This can be helpful if you are steaming larger quantities of milk and desire more steam
capacity. If you change the F.02 setting to 6 to power to both boilers, then both power switches
must be on for the machine to operate or neither boiler will heat up.
The Vetrano has "2", "4" and "6" as F.02 options. Anyone know what is the "2" option for?
- Robert

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BaristaBoy E61

#2: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

I only see Settings 4 (15amp Coffee Priority Mode) & 6 (20amp Both Boilers Heating) for F.02. What Revision (rev) manual are you looking at?

I'm looking at Rev. 6/2015. Can you post a link to the manual you're using?
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Giampiero

#3: Post by Giampiero »

Not sure 100%, but i think there are even more options for F02, depend what year is your machine.
The "2" could be the setting to enable only the coffee boiler functionality.

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BaristaBoy E61

#4: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

If you wanted only coffee boiler functionality, wouldn't you just switch 'OFF' the steam boiler power switch?
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robmack (original poster)

#5: Post by robmack (original poster) »

BaristaBoy E61 wrote:I only see Settings 4 (15amp Coffee Priority Mode) & 6 (20amp Both Boilers Heating) for F.02. What Revision (rev) manual are you looking at?

I'm looking at Rev. 6/2015. Can you post a link to the manual you're using?
The Lucca manual I got from Manulalsib. Refer to the following link: https://www.manualslib.com/q/quick+mill+lucca+m58.html. The version of the manual is corrupted as it reads "Revised January 201". My Vetrano 2B EVO is a 2020 model year and is running firmware version 1.02.

As for reducing current draw, I got it working. I made an adapter to convert from NEMA 5-20P to NEMA 5-15P and plugged the machine into a 15A fused circuit. I set the F.02 option from "6" to "4" and the Vetrano works just the same. Still curious about the "2" setting.
- Robert

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BaristaBoy E61

#6: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

I think you're all set now. Even if you use a (Wemo-type) Smart Plug, you won't exceed its capacity in 15amp mode.
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Giampiero

#7: Post by Giampiero »

I was not sure 100%, because i was almost sure.
In italian is a generic Gicar PID , in English is the PID of an Izzo Alex.
I don't know why your PID does offer the "2" option, nothing really important, just use your machine as you just set.


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BaristaBoy E61

#8: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

While I have made adjustments to our PID, Fahrenheit/Celsius and boiler temperatures, I've stayed away from the default differential settings as I do not have the measuring instruments to accurately perform those adjustments.

Note all settings before adjustments are made to stay out of trouble and to find your way back. The only other parameter I would have adjusted had we not used a 15amp Wifi Wemo would be 15amp/20amp mode for 20amp operation as we installed a 20amp dedicated circuit just for espresso.
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surehusk

#9: Post by surehusk »

I have a Lucca M58 v2 which is a Vetrano 2B Evo Pid minus the led.
Clive coffee sells Lucca in the US and they have the updated pid differential posted. https://support.clivecoffee.com/en/pid ... d-settings.
When I do a pid reset it takes Vetrano settings, but I have changed mine to Clive's recommendation and here's my observations:
- Brew boiler doesn't overshoot the temperature or does so minimally, to 1F degree. It lets the temp drop temporarily up to 2F below set point.
- Steam boiler now overshoots by about 2F and doesn't let steam boiler temperature to be under, at most by 1F.

Overall it feels like the brew boiler got the most improvement in temperature stability.

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BaristaBoy E61

#10: Post by BaristaBoy E61 »

surehusk wrote:here's my observations:
- Brew boiler doesn't overshoot the temperature or does so minimally, to 1F degree. It lets the temp drop temporarily up to 2F below set point.
- Steam boiler now overshoots by about 2F and doesn't let steam boiler temperature to be under, at most by 1F.

Overall it feels like the brew boiler got the most improvement in temperature stability.
Welcome to HB Serge

That's a good result all around, particularly with regards to the brew boiler, where tighter temperature control will make a larger difference than in the steam boiler.
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