Breville BES870 solenoid elbow leaking - Page 3

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dust
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#21: Post by dust »

Welp, i'm in the same "leaking elbow" club now.
My one cracked after ~6 years of daily use. Condensed steam from the crack makes a small puddle underneath it, which seems to short something, as it triggers GFCI outlet.

samjam91, appreciate you guidance on replacement parts.

I'm about to order these for replacement:
https://www.mcmaster.com/7610N168/ - replacement for an elbow
https://www.mcmaster.com/7610N112/ - replacement for a small plastic vertical tube coming our of solenoid, my one is leaking as well. Unfortunately they do not have push-to-connect to Female, so i'm adding this https://www.mcmaster.com/4443K806/ to connect it to solenoid as it has male connector.

all these parts are stainless steal 316, which seems to be considered as a good option for food
rated for 250 psi, which is higher than default and I hope it's enough
rated for high temp

not an ads for the mcmaster, but their catalog genuinely impressed me, it's actually usable in terms of filters and product descriptions

Update:
I installed parts and they seem to be working fine, I see no leaks when steam is running (that was the original symptom).
I had to cut original plastic tubes endings so they can fit Push-to-Connect fitting, the connection works like a charm.
The elbow and vertical tube I bought are not not BSPP threading, but universal. Hence the sealing is done by gaskets between parts.


SamDavies
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#22: Post by SamDavies »

Well.... It looks like I'm part of this exclusive club too.
Purchased mine on Black Friday 2015, so close to a 7 year run without problems.

I'll be picking up a bag of 007 O rings tomorrow (bag of 100 for $3), and will keep my fingers crossed.
Should I consider replacing other gaskets, or leave things be?
As far as I can tell, this is the only leak.

If needed, I've found a Male elbow 4mm OD x 1/8 BSPT.
Unfortunately, it is backordered, and will only be available mid October (decent price, local pickup).

While leaking, the machine is still functional.
If the problem turns out to be the elbow, sure hope it remains functional despite leaking.
Half a month without coffee is sheer madness.


massivetoe
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#23: Post by massivetoe »

Hi,
Thanks for the link, I bought the metal elbow from an eBay seller. It was all going swimmingly until I put the cut-off plastic pipe in the elbow push to fit end. It feels tight (I can't actually get it back out!), but water is spurting everywhere when I start the machine up. Even more comes out when the machine is running. What have I done wrong?

I followed the advice: cut off the metal end of the plastic pipe, insert pipe into push fit as hard as I can. Done. Now working.

Someone on another forum was suggesting soaking the pipe in vinegar. I haven't tried this yet.

Any help appreciated! As we are now coffee-less, God help us.

Cheers,

Tom

massivetoe
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#24: Post by massivetoe »

Okay, I fixed it! Turns out I hadn't pushed the pipe far enough into the fitting.

I disconnected the other side of the pipe, which allowed me to turn the elbow towards me (last photo), which allowed me to push the pipe right the way down into the push fitting. Having to cut the metal off the end of the pipe has made it quite short. It only just reaches now, which made it harder to get a seal at either end.

Good luck to anyone else with this issue in the future! Before and after photos below.










valenteaj
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#25: Post by valenteaj »

samjam91 wrote:Hey had the same problem myself on a 3 year old machine, sorry if this is a bit late but may help someone else. I switched the old cracked plastic elbow for a food grade metal 16bar high temperature rated elbow. Size is 4mm push fit to 1/8 bspp https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Tempera ... 2749.l2648 make sure you get a high temp and correct pressure rating or it may explode or the seals will fail quickly.

Screws straight into the solenoid, cut the metal grommet/clamp off the original ptfe 4mm tube making sure the cut is perfectly straight, push the cut end into the push fitting, then pull the push fitting collar outwards to activate the clamp. Works a treat and a solid upgrade from plastic parts.

Very annoying this is a blatant planned obsolescence part imo, plastic mixed with heat, pressure and age is always gonna fail. OEM parts are impossible to find as sage controls the market. Will charge you £300 for a repair to change a £4 part in 20 minutes on a £400 machine. Really they want you to buy a new machine and for your old one to go to landfill. Puts me off the brand completely. Looking at properly built machines designed to last with well distributed parts if i were to upgrade in the future. Loving look of the Lelit MaraX. Hope you got yours sorted.
I've registered specifically to thank you for this post. It's saved my a nightmare of finding a replacement part which would invevitably required a whole new solenoid assembly shipped from some far off land. This has saved me a fortune! Thanks again

lausanne123
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#26: Post by lausanne123 »

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Unfortunately, in my case I have different solenoid base, so I can't use this metallic elbow.
Any ideas? Thanks
I'm in a similar situation. Has anyone figured out what piece fits that solenoid base?

denispaul1981
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#27: Post by denispaul1981 »

I was lucky enough to find this thread and am happy to share what has been a good solution for me. I tried to change the seal (007) with a purchase on Amazon (Sterling Seal ORSIL007 Number 007) but it did not help. I had the plastic elbow on the solenoid leaking.

After calling Breville Canada, they told me to find the part number and that they might be able to help me.

Here are the two parts I found:
SP0001408 Elbow tube $ 5.95
SP0100757 VALVE SOLENOID KIT 120V JLT $ 35.95
8$ for shipping

The elbow tube is for the BES840 but it is identical and worked so I now have a replacement solenoid kit if it broke again.
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/elbow ... 39222.html

Good luck with that.


tomvamos
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#28: Post by tomvamos »

I'm in the same boat I think. Hastily ordered the metal part only to find I had the plastic based solenoid. Did you order the valvekit only (which seems to come with the elbow) or just the elbow?
denispaul1981 wrote:I was lucky enough to find this thread and am happy to share what has been a good solution for me. I tried to change the seal (007) with a purchase on Amazon (Sterling Seal ORSIL007 Number 007) but it did not help. I had the plastic elbow on the solenoid leaking.

After calling Breville Canada, they told me to find the part number and that they might be able to help me.

Here are the two parts I found:
SP0001408 Elbow tube $ 5.95
SP0100757 VALVE SOLENOID KIT 120V JLT $ 35.95
8$ for shipping

The elbow tube is for the BES840 but it is identical and worked so I now have a replacement solenoid kit if it broke again.
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/elbow ... 39222.html

Good luck with that.

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denispaul1981
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#29: Post by denispaul1981 »

Breville sent me both (I paid for both) because they couldn't guarantee the elbow would fit (they say it's for the BES840 but it's identical to the BES870 I have). I only changed the elbow because it's easier to do and it works fine (1 week of operation). I can also confirm that the valve kit comes with the elbow, but it's cheaper to get just the elbow if you want to try it first.

tomvamos
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#30: Post by tomvamos »

Thanks, I think I'll try that.