Two Grinders? Filter and Espresso
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antopoftheworld
Hey all,
I currently have a DF64 with v1 brew burrs. I'm drinking at least 1-2 pour overs in the morning, and then make the switch over to espresso in the afternoon, usually pulling 1-2 shots as well.
The workflow on the DF64 is pretty frustrating with changing it back and forth everyday, so I have a couple of options.
1. Pick up a Niche Zero and use that for espresso. Use the DF64 for only filter coffee moving forward.
2. Sell the DF64 and upgrade to an end-game grinder. Zerno, EG-1, p100, monolith flat max.
It seems like most discussions are folks doing 1 or the other. Does anyone do 50/50 of both and have an end-game grinder? Will I be frustrated switching back and forth between the two settings?
I currently have a DF64 with v1 brew burrs. I'm drinking at least 1-2 pour overs in the morning, and then make the switch over to espresso in the afternoon, usually pulling 1-2 shots as well.
The workflow on the DF64 is pretty frustrating with changing it back and forth everyday, so I have a couple of options.
1. Pick up a Niche Zero and use that for espresso. Use the DF64 for only filter coffee moving forward.
2. Sell the DF64 and upgrade to an end-game grinder. Zerno, EG-1, p100, monolith flat max.
It seems like most discussions are folks doing 1 or the other. Does anyone do 50/50 of both and have an end-game grinder? Will I be frustrated switching back and forth between the two settings?
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Jeff
- Team HB
Welcome to H-B!
"There is no end game"
There are people that enjoy a single, high-end grinder for both espresso and filter coffee. I think that you have to be willing to accept a less traditional espresso (gooey, chocolate and nuts with lots of crema) for that to work. If you're pulling shots you enjoy with the 64 mm brew burrs, I'm guessing you're not pulling traditional shots already.
On a limited budget (compared to two, expensive grinders), I'd consider an Ode v2 and something for espresso that you enjoy. It might be the DF64 you already have, a Zerno, or used P64 or P100 (as the P01 was just announced).
To your direct question, of the grinders I have, if I had to pick "just one" it would be the Bentwood as perhaps the most likely to be able to produce a great espresso or filter cup from any medium or lighter coffee. (I rarely drink medium dark or darker coffees.) The 98 HU burrs are also versatile, but comparatively more demanding of dial-in than the Bentwood.
"There is no end game"
There are people that enjoy a single, high-end grinder for both espresso and filter coffee. I think that you have to be willing to accept a less traditional espresso (gooey, chocolate and nuts with lots of crema) for that to work. If you're pulling shots you enjoy with the 64 mm brew burrs, I'm guessing you're not pulling traditional shots already.
On a limited budget (compared to two, expensive grinders), I'd consider an Ode v2 and something for espresso that you enjoy. It might be the DF64 you already have, a Zerno, or used P64 or P100 (as the P01 was just announced).
To your direct question, of the grinders I have, if I had to pick "just one" it would be the Bentwood as perhaps the most likely to be able to produce a great espresso or filter cup from any medium or lighter coffee. (I rarely drink medium dark or darker coffees.) The 98 HU burrs are also versatile, but comparatively more demanding of dial-in than the Bentwood.
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BrendaninBrooklyn
I'll add have a good look at the Niche Duo. Burr change is extremely simple and rapid. Youtube examples of this are readily found.
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antopoftheworld (original poster)
Thanks for your thoughts! Love how the Bentwood looks and feels so will definitely have to consider it. I do have an 078 on preorder so I'll probably use that for filter (with Kyle's raving review on it).
Likely going to move forward with the Niche Zero and try to get on the Zerno preorder.
Likely going to move forward with the Niche Zero and try to get on the Zerno preorder.
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antopoftheworld (original poster)
I saw the change videos. I'd imagine having to change the burrs every afternoon would be even worse than what I'm already doing.BrendaninBrooklyn wrote:I'll add have a good look at the Niche Duo. Burr change is extremely simple and rapid. Youtube examples of this are readily found.
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BrendaninBrooklyn
it takes under two minutes. Perhaps you are confusing the Duo with something else.
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PPapa
Espressos from Niche Zero and a big flat burr are very very different, to an extent I would give up espresso at home if I was to use a conical burr grinder at home.
So it's a question back to you, what sort of roast levels and espressos do you prefer? Is there a cafe that's close to you and serves high quality espressos on big flat burrs?
So it's a question back to you, what sort of roast levels and espressos do you prefer? Is there a cafe that's close to you and serves high quality espressos on big flat burrs?
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Cranked
I've had a similar question because I change coffees every shot: starting with dark roast for caps and then light roasts for shots. On my light roasts, I am not looking for extreme clarity that you might want for brew. I have a df64v on order...and am hoping that rpm might get me more versatility with one set of burrs: lower rpms for light roasts and faster for darker roasts. I went with the 64 over some of the other options others have recommended because of cost and availability of different burrs. I'd be happy to have only one grinder on the counter.
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antopoftheworld (original poster)
Thanks for the idea. It might work for most, but personally, that sounds like a whole lot of work to swap burrs back and forth 2x a day. It might work for a lot of folks though so props to them if it does!BrendaninBrooklyn wrote:it takes under two minutes. Perhaps you are confusing the Duo with something else.
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antopoftheworld (original poster)
Light/Nordic naturals for pour overs, traditional full-bodied espresso so it's a bit of both.PPapa wrote:Espressos from Niche Zero and a big flat burr are very very different, to an extent I would give up espresso at home if I was to use a conical burr grinder at home.
So it's a question back to you, what sort of roast levels and espressos do you prefer? Is there a cafe that's close to you and serves high quality espressos on big flat burrs?
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