Tamper for La Marzocco single baskets
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I've been playing around with making singles recently, in a La Marzocco 7g single basket. I'd like to get a tamper that will fit the bottom part of the basket. I've seen some folks here, a long time ago, talking about using a 40.7mm tamper for this.
Does anyone know if a 41mm tamper will fit? There are some cheapo's on Amazon that I was thinking about ordering...I'm not super concerned with how "nice" it is, but rather just want something that will work. Looking at this base:
https://www.amazon.com/Tamper-stainless ... 01275430I/
One of the reviews says "It will not reach the bottom of a La Marzocco single shot basket, but if you have dosed coffee into the basket it is perfect achieving a good single shot tamp."
But it's not exactly clear what that means, and whether it will go deep enough into the basket to be effective.
Anyone tried a 41mm tamper in the single basket?
Does anyone know if a 41mm tamper will fit? There are some cheapo's on Amazon that I was thinking about ordering...I'm not super concerned with how "nice" it is, but rather just want something that will work. Looking at this base:
https://www.amazon.com/Tamper-stainless ... 01275430I/
One of the reviews says "It will not reach the bottom of a La Marzocco single shot basket, but if you have dosed coffee into the basket it is perfect achieving a good single shot tamp."
But it's not exactly clear what that means, and whether it will go deep enough into the basket to be effective.
Anyone tried a 41mm tamper in the single basket?
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Not sure what came with your GS3 but the LMLM comes with a 2 sided tamper. The small end is for the single basket. You might try their tamper.
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The LM1 single basket is my favourite basket of all. I've been using it with a 41.0mm tamper along with a special funnel to ease the workflow.
If you're using at least 7g coffee, there's almost no reason to go smaller than 41.0 mm. If you're overdosing above 10g coffee, I can see maybe an even larger tamper (e.g. 42.0 mm) will be helpful but it'll be a compromise on the lower dose end as you cannot tamp into the barrel effectively. One caveat is I don't know how much manufacturing tolerance/variance is there for these baskets. I have two of these generic LM1 baskets, and found them to be identical dimension wise.
7-9 g seems to be the sweetspot for me using the 41.0 mm tamper. Note that with 10g coffee, there's a bit more of the 'untamped' area. You'd have to move the tamper around to compress it.
If you're using at least 7g coffee, there's almost no reason to go smaller than 41.0 mm. If you're overdosing above 10g coffee, I can see maybe an even larger tamper (e.g. 42.0 mm) will be helpful but it'll be a compromise on the lower dose end as you cannot tamp into the barrel effectively. One caveat is I don't know how much manufacturing tolerance/variance is there for these baskets. I have two of these generic LM1 baskets, and found them to be identical dimension wise.
7-9 g seems to be the sweetspot for me using the 41.0 mm tamper. Note that with 10g coffee, there's a bit more of the 'untamped' area. You'd have to move the tamper around to compress it.
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Awesome - thanks! And the pictures are super helpful. I'll find a 41.0mm, and go from there!
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The 41mm tamper and handle came today, so I've been playing this afternoon. I got the one from Amazon, since it was immediately available and prime shipping - not really a looker, but certainly functional:
And OMG what a difference having a tamper sized for singles makes! It takes a little doing (and a few pre-tamps before the tamp) to get all the grinds in the hole in the bottom (that funnel would be nice!), but once they're in there, a solid tamp, then pull. And I'm getting picture-perfect pulls on the bottomless, which are somewhat adorable from a single.
And I never would have believed this - but I'm using exactly the same grind setting in this basket as I am in the double, and getting the same extraction time. I mean, I know this is what they _say_ you should be able to do, but I've always been skeptical, and have never witnessed this myself...until today! Specifically:
LM 7g basket, 8.0g in, 16g out, 22s
LM 17g basket, 16.0g in, 32g out, 22s
This was definitely not the case before, but now that I can get a clean tamp in the single, it's flowing perfectly. This is with the La Colombe Nizza, from the LM Home subscription.
And OMG what a difference having a tamper sized for singles makes! It takes a little doing (and a few pre-tamps before the tamp) to get all the grinds in the hole in the bottom (that funnel would be nice!), but once they're in there, a solid tamp, then pull. And I'm getting picture-perfect pulls on the bottomless, which are somewhat adorable from a single.
And I never would have believed this - but I'm using exactly the same grind setting in this basket as I am in the double, and getting the same extraction time. I mean, I know this is what they _say_ you should be able to do, but I've always been skeptical, and have never witnessed this myself...until today! Specifically:
LM 7g basket, 8.0g in, 16g out, 22s
LM 17g basket, 16.0g in, 32g out, 22s
This was definitely not the case before, but now that I can get a clean tamp in the single, it's flowing perfectly. This is with the La Colombe Nizza, from the LM Home subscription.
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Thanks for reporting back!!
The LM1 single is quite underrated probably due to it needing a separate tamper. If you're pulling normale (1:2 brew ratio) and not ristretto, it makes just the perfect size of a single shot.
Not just the pull time, the extraction yield measured using refractometer is exactly comparable to a double basket as well. I fiddled quite a bit with single baskets, and found that all other single baskets (conical/tapered-shaped) extract about 20% less from the coffee (typically measured 15-16% EY instead of 19-20% EY) before it blonds. Makes a huge difference if the shot is used as a base for piccolos/lattes.
The LM1 single is quite underrated probably due to it needing a separate tamper. If you're pulling normale (1:2 brew ratio) and not ristretto, it makes just the perfect size of a single shot.
Not just the pull time, the extraction yield measured using refractometer is exactly comparable to a double basket as well. I fiddled quite a bit with single baskets, and found that all other single baskets (conical/tapered-shaped) extract about 20% less from the coffee (typically measured 15-16% EY instead of 19-20% EY) before it blonds. Makes a huge difference if the shot is used as a base for piccolos/lattes.
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That's interesting about the yield. Especially since they seem to taste more like a "single" taste - a little milder...but you would think with the same ratio and same EY, they would taste the same as a double.
Have you tried your single basket with SO's that are more challenging to extract (e.g. coffees that like a long pre-brew, etc)? Any observations?
Have you tried your single basket with SO's that are more challenging to extract (e.g. coffees that like a long pre-brew, etc)? Any observations?
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If the taste is mild, you can try upping the dose to 9g. Compared to doubles, the single responds much more greatly to a small difference in dose. That's what I found anyway. I didn't care so much for the taste when the dose is 7-8g. When updosed to 9g, I don't miss the doubles, at all.
Sure I did! In fact, most of my drinks are SO and on the light/medium side. With the proper tamper, I don't find it any different compared to the doubles.Have you tried your single basket with SO's that are more challenging to extract (e.g. coffees that like a long pre-brew, etc)? Any observations?
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Awesome! I can't wait to play with this some more over the coming weeks. I feel like for the cost of a tamper (~$25), I have this whole new tool in my chest.
And I'll never look at soggy pucks the same way again.
And I'll never look at soggy pucks the same way again.