Most reliable brand of espresso machines? - Page 5
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Primacog
An izzo pompei spring lever is amazingly simple inside with few parts. Easy to remove the top plate and vast internal space to work in.
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jerbear00
I used a Izzo Duetto for ~10years with minimal issues whatsoever fwiw.
Only changed because I got bit with the "try something new" bug. My brother is still using the Duetto without issue.
Only changed because I got bit with the "try something new" bug. My brother is still using the Duetto without issue.
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delta76
Fortunately we now have plenty of "tear down" videos on Youtube, kudos to WLL and other for doing that.
I'm not even a "technical" person when it comes to boilers and pipe and valve, but I can spot a well laid out machine from a so-so and a bad one. a well laid out internal means easier to access and diagnose and fix things when something eventually goes wrong. for that, my thumb up goes to ECM. Their build quality is not overrated.
And with that, stick with most popular machines, you will get more help and get parts easily.
I'm not even a "technical" person when it comes to boilers and pipe and valve, but I can spot a well laid out machine from a so-so and a bad one. a well laid out internal means easier to access and diagnose and fix things when something eventually goes wrong. for that, my thumb up goes to ECM. Their build quality is not overrated.
And with that, stick with most popular machines, you will get more help and get parts easily.
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Spid3r
I am in kind of in the same boat...
I have my Rocket R58 sense 2012, i love i, mostly used for espresso. I can't plumbed the machine and is was tricky all these years filling up reservoir. Not so many problem, change some parts which is of course resemble to after 11 years of using.
Now I would like to upgrade my Rocket and looking for La Marzocco Linea Micra...
I have my Rocket R58 sense 2012, i love i, mostly used for espresso. I can't plumbed the machine and is was tricky all these years filling up reservoir. Not so many problem, change some parts which is of course resemble to after 11 years of using.
Now I would like to upgrade my Rocket and looking for La Marzocco Linea Micra...
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Primacog
I used my izzo pompei for a decade or more without any issues. Without a pump, there are few parts inside that would break down and it's incredibly robust as t's built to make many hundreds of shots daily.
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e-chappy
The other day, I almost sprung for a Lelit Bianca V3 open box offered for sale at Seattle Coffee Gear, but when I was informed that the full warranty on the machine is only 1-year, that was unexpected.
In contrast new ECM/ Profitec machines carry a 3-year warranty. Even the used ECM/ Profitec units from Clive carry a 6-month warranty. For whatever reason, the 1-year warranty on new Lelit machines just doesn't inspire much confidence.
Could someone comment to the relative lengths of the respective warranties offered, and whether any of the ones mentioned would give one pause?
Also, could someone shed lights on where I could find local repair shops throughout the country? It seems that service is linked to the dealer from which a machine was bought, and with most of the higher-volume dealers on the coasts, it's a lot of faff if I ever need to ship a machine back.
In contrast new ECM/ Profitec machines carry a 3-year warranty. Even the used ECM/ Profitec units from Clive carry a 6-month warranty. For whatever reason, the 1-year warranty on new Lelit machines just doesn't inspire much confidence.
Could someone comment to the relative lengths of the respective warranties offered, and whether any of the ones mentioned would give one pause?
Also, could someone shed lights on where I could find local repair shops throughout the country? It seems that service is linked to the dealer from which a machine was bought, and with most of the higher-volume dealers on the coasts, it's a lot of faff if I ever need to ship a machine back.
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Jeff
- Team HB
For E61 boxes, it is basically all the same parts that are likely to fail with time. Gaskets, pumps, solenoid valves, electronics, ... basically all come from the same suppliers whether you're ECM/Profitec or Lelit.
Local repair shops will depend on where you live. As far as I know, warranty service is with the handful of dealers, not something that you can get done by a local shop. For example, https://www.ecm.de/en/service/faq.html states "Maintenance has to be carried out by an authorised retailer."
Edit: For me, the factory warranty covers initial defects which I would expect to reveal themselves within the first year. My personal opinion would be that either the ECM/Profitec or Lelit warranties' duration are sufficient and effectively equivalent in practice.
Local repair shops will depend on where you live. As far as I know, warranty service is with the handful of dealers, not something that you can get done by a local shop. For example, https://www.ecm.de/en/service/faq.html states "Maintenance has to be carried out by an authorised retailer."
Edit: For me, the factory warranty covers initial defects which I would expect to reveal themselves within the first year. My personal opinion would be that either the ECM/Profitec or Lelit warranties' duration are sufficient and effectively equivalent in practice.
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FixBear
I've had a Expobar Office lever since 2003. It has over 160,000 hours of service, average of 30 shots per week on it and I love the ability to repair it. It has been hard plumbed with RO water after 2 weeks of service.
I keep parts in stock for that reason. I have replaced one element, 3 OPV's, 8 pressure switches, 1 power switch, The OPV to boiler fittings and feed line (increased to 6mm) 1 Temp Limit, 3 vacuum valves, one controller, Rebuilt the group-head 4 times, and dozens of portafilter gaskets. Presently use silicone ones. I also have had to replace numerous electrical connectors and the boiler insulation.
That said, I used to work in the food repair industry. Including coffee machines. But today we are starting to try lighter roasts, so I find it difficult to be able to tune the machine for multiple coffees. So my son and wife teemed up and ordered me a new double boiler PID machine. Unfortunately they ordered it before talking to me and bought a La Mozocca Linea Micra. I was looking to buy the Profitec 700. A lot of the parts I have in stock would cross. But this is going to be a learning experience for sure. I love the repairability of a E-61 machine. But the stabile brew tenp controllability of the Linea Micra should be a great plus for shot quality. I think that is what they were going for.
I keep parts in stock for that reason. I have replaced one element, 3 OPV's, 8 pressure switches, 1 power switch, The OPV to boiler fittings and feed line (increased to 6mm) 1 Temp Limit, 3 vacuum valves, one controller, Rebuilt the group-head 4 times, and dozens of portafilter gaskets. Presently use silicone ones. I also have had to replace numerous electrical connectors and the boiler insulation.
That said, I used to work in the food repair industry. Including coffee machines. But today we are starting to try lighter roasts, so I find it difficult to be able to tune the machine for multiple coffees. So my son and wife teemed up and ordered me a new double boiler PID machine. Unfortunately they ordered it before talking to me and bought a La Mozocca Linea Micra. I was looking to buy the Profitec 700. A lot of the parts I have in stock would cross. But this is going to be a learning experience for sure. I love the repairability of a E-61 machine. But the stabile brew tenp controllability of the Linea Micra should be a great plus for shot quality. I think that is what they were going for.
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