Is there a gold standard grinder that doses accurately by weight? - Page 2

March 26th, 2023, 8:00 am

BaristaBoy E61 wrote:My preference for dealing with this challenge would be a bean counter and single dosing.

I use "the Accountant" bean doser to fill up a bunch of little jars. It is one of life's little luxuries.

March 26th, 2023, 9:47 am

I roast my own coffee, so I store around 700g at a time in the hopper. It lets me "Surf" the best drinking point, it's basically a different situation from people who buy coffee roasted, my stuff needs more air depending on how often I can roast.

I can absolutely taste the difference between 18.8 dose and 19g currently on the Yirgacheffe from SM I'm drinking. 19 gets cigarette ash. I probably should try 18.5 on it, really, but I'm putting it in a latte mostly so I want to maintain depth of flavor.

6k is too much to save me a minute or so in the morning. But 3k... is not. I currently prepare my morning coffee with a Linea, a big compak single doser, and it's roasted on a bullet. Lets just I'm willing to pay for coffee. And a minute in the morning is very different from a minute in the afternoon. My current grinder sells for around 3k by the looks of things, so I'd expect an upgrade to cost more

But all the money I've spent on machines I regard as money well spent. The pro stuff lasts forever in a home environment, I don't see why I can't be using this stuff in 20 years, considering my livia and grinder from 20 years ago are still doing fine. It ends up being much cheaper per cup than any coffee shop, even though that's not my main driver

March 26th, 2023, 9:51 am

lagoon wrote:For households doing a reasonable volume this approach works well. We do around 6 coffees a day and maybe double that if we have visitors.

Fresh beans don't go stale in a day. In fact if you're home roasting and the beans are less than a week post roast, it can help to let them breathe a bit.

So you put 1-2 days worth in the hopper. 2 second purge before the first shot of the day and then you're good to go. Fast, accurate on demand grinder is ideal for this.

You have the 65 and like it I assume?

March 26th, 2023, 9:54 am

meshkaffe wrote:I'd be curious about this too. If I'm being honest with myself I can't really taste the difference between 17.8g or 18.2g in and 35-36g out unless I was drinking back to back and even though probably marginal at best on my setup. Eliminating the weighing of the portafilter on my scale before and after would be worth it for me in a hopper fed grinder such as one of these.

I have zero desire or interest to single dose and I'd love an e65s gbw if it was accurate to within .2g. Unless something exceptional debuts in the next year I will be getting this grinder.

You know, I've been pondering your point as the coffee kicks in this morning. I would totally notice that swing in my espresso, but would I notice it in my morning lattes when I'm barely awake? That's much less clear... It maybe that would be fine for most of my use.

But .4 still seems like a lot. Though I guess if I have it at 18.8 and it is between 18.6 and 19 that's less of a variance.

I think this is maybe reframed as would a Mahlkonig e65gbw, e80 gbw or Mythos be a sufficient improvement for me over a Compak e10 single doser

March 26th, 2023, 12:59 pm

flyingtoaster wrote:My Sette is normally within .1g, but sometimes undershoots by .2g. I just tap the play button and it doses for a split second to make up the difference.

I'm not aware of anything inbetween the Sette 270wi and E65 gbw price-wise. I'd skip to the E80s gbw personally.

There's the new-ish Eureka Mignon Libra (https://www.eureka.co.it/en/catalogo/pr ... /1/80.aspx) which is $800, though I have no experience with it. Also, I've seen rumors that Eureka intends to bring Libra (GBW) versions of its other models to market over time.

#16: Post by **NewCoffeeGuy1** » March 26th, 2023, 1:01 pm

charlesaf3 wrote:I think this is maybe reframed as would a Mahlkonig e65gbw, e80 gbw or Mythos be a sufficient improvement for me over a Compak e10 single doser

I'm having the same dilemma wrt my Baratza Vario AP which has a pretty high shot to shot variance in output for a given time.

#17: Post by **LittleCoffee** » March 26th, 2023, 1:41 pm

I mean I get that people will spill their coffees at me suggesting pairing a peasant 270wi with a Royal Mini, but honestly single dosing 6 coffees a day is like slave labour camp territory. The workflow must be horrendous. Yes you'll maybe sacrifice a little with the Sette and it's not 100% accurate 100% of the time but the workflow is a breeze. Plus the other dbw grinders have flat burrs which have a lot more retention than the Sette. I am very happy with my Sette and Duetto combo for this reason.

#18: Post by **Nunas** » March 26th, 2023, 2:06 pm

My solution to a similar problem was to get a ZF64w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IblWWGAma2E My previous grinder, which I still have as a spare, is a (noisy, cantankerous) Sette 270Wi. The ZF64w is quieter and the pitch of the noise is less grating to the ear. As per the video, it tares instantly, which I like. However, unlike the Sette, which has an algorithm to self-correct the dose, the ZF64w has a manual offset. That is, if you change beans and set to, say, 18 g, but get 18.4 out, the scale has an offset that can be entered to correct the dose. Once offset, it's fairly accurate. I usually get =/- 0.1 grams, once calibrated. The hopper, being café sized, is way too big for home use under a cabinet/shelf. So, I simply cut it down and made a new lid. I know of a few others here on H-B who've bought one of these grinders; if you do a search, some threads will pop up. The one thing I didn't like about it is that it has a stepped grind adjustment. However, in the real world, it does not matter, as this is intended to be an espresso-only grinder and the steps are quite fine. There's an internal stop inside, and it could easily be modified to grind coarser. For cleaning, one simply removes the knob and four screws on the top plate. It hasn't given me a moment's trouble in thousands of cups ground.

#19: Post by **flyingtoaster** » March 26th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Nunas wrote:My solution to a similar problem was to get a ZF64whttp://video My previous grinder, which I still have as a spare, is a (noisy, cantankerous) Sette 270Wi. The ZF64w is quieter and the pitch of the noise is less grating to the ear. As per the video, it tares instantly, which I like. However, unlike the Sette, which has an algorithm to self-correct the dose, the ZF64w has a manual offset. That is, if you change beans and set to, say, 18 g, but get 18.4 out, the scale has an offset that can be entered to correct the dose. Once offset, it's fairly accurate. I usually get =/- 0.1 grams, once calibrated. The hopper, being café sized, is way too big for home use under a cabinet/shelf. So, I simply cut it down and made a new lid. I know of a few others here on H-B who've bought one of these grinders; if you do a search, some threads will pop up. The one thing I didn't like about it is that it has a stepped grind adjustment. However, in the real world, it does not matter, as this is intended to be an espresso-only grinder and the steps are quite fine. There's an internal stop inside, and it could easily be modified to grind coarser. For cleaning, one simply removes the knob and four screws on the top plate. It hasn't given me a moment's trouble in thousands of cups ground.

I've used a Sette 270wi for espresso for 3 years and can't wait for my MC5 to arrive. The Sette produces no flavor clarity. I get better espresso when I have the coffee shop grind my beans on their Mazzer Major.

March 26th, 2023, 3:01 pm

I'm not sure why you're telling me this; I'm recommending the ZF64w, which is a commercially rated flat burrs grinder, not the Sette. That said, I retired the Sette because it's noisy and failed a lot, not because of the grind quality. Given the low price, I thought the grind quality was quite good.