Help with a Spring-Lever shortlist - Page 4

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espressotime
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#31: Post by espressotime »

erik82 wrote:I don't understand why it's so hard to read and make completely wrong conclusions of someone else's post. Ofcourse a machine that's on 24/7 will consume more then turning it on for 3 times an hour a day but that's not what I wrote. Even a 7 year old child will get that. I was comparing leaving it on for 6-7 hours a day compared to turning it on for 3 times an hour which is something completely different but somehow you and DaveC totally ingnored that and made wrong conclusions. And in fact then you are ignoring the laws of thermodynamics by saying a cold machine will consume as much in an hour as a warm machine :wink: .

And after 3 hours a machine is maybe somewhat warm but is nearing a full cold start unlike powering it up again after 1 hour but yeah it'll consume somewhat less which is obvious. But still power usages in both use cases will be comparable.

There's a lot written about this in the past on HB and I've done some measurements myself. Unlike DaveC just posting a oneliner I did took the time to write down the math. So just calling someone stupid on results that have been tested and verrified before and not taking any effort in explaining why was just arrogant. That's my main point.

But if you want to bash someone who has done the math and has looked up the numbers versus someone who only posts a oneliner then be my guest but AFAIK that's not how we gather proper information.
Maybe I posted what you call a oneliner but it's based on years and years of hands on experience with the mentioned machines and some measuring I did myself.

I got up this morning at 07:15 and at 07:25 I was enjoying my first cappuccino.
Which machine did I use you think?(the light may tell :mrgreen: )



What I tried to say in my post that started all this is that if the OP wants a few shots during the day a small espressomachine is more enviromental friendly than letting a big one idle all day. I' ve done that for many years but now I'm m smarter.

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#32: Post by doug »

It may be inappropriate to mention it here in this thread on spring lever choices (I vote Londinium), but a Decent machine requires 2-3 minutes to be ready. I have mine connected to a EcoPower Delta I can recharge via solar. Handy, if your grid is not renewables based.

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#33: Post by Primacog »

As far as spring levers are concerned, I don't think that there is a better solution than the hybrid levers like the Nurri or ACS machines. They give the performance of the big sprint levers (and more) but have the ability to be fired up within 15 minutes that the pv lusso offers.
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#34: Post by espressotime replying to Primacog »

Not completely true.
Here is a video of my little 0.9 liter Export.
Makes espresso as good as any big lever.

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#35: Post by Primacog replying to espressotime »

The export gives a smaller shot quantity wise than the bigger spring levers, is that right? Also when it comes to lighter roasts, it would be difficult to change the temperature settings of its boiler and grouphead in teal time compare to hybrid levers.
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#36: Post by yakster »

Ponte Vecchio Export portafilter size is 45 mm so yes, a smaller shot.
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#37: Post by espressotime »

Primacog wrote:The export gives a smaller shot quantity wise than the bigger spring levers, is that right? Also when it comes to lighter roasts, it would be difficult to change the temperature settings of its boiler and grouphead in teal time compare to hybrid levers.
Well there's a little Mater in the base of the machine.So it can be done but will take two minutes or so.
I never change temperature.So if you want to change temperature two times a day this isn ' t the machine for you.
Its strength is fast and good espresso.