erik82 wrote:I don't understand why it's so hard to read and make completely wrong conclusions of someone else's post. Ofcourse a machine that's on 24/7 will consume more then turning it on for 3 times an hour a day but that's not what I wrote. Even a 7 year old child will get that. I was comparing leaving it on for 6-7 hours a day compared to turning it on for 3 times an hour which is something completely different but somehow you and DaveC totally ingnored that and made wrong conclusions. And in fact then you are ignoring the laws of thermodynamics by saying a cold machine will consume as much in an hour as a warm machine .

And after 3 hours a machine is maybe somewhat warm but is nearing a full cold start unlike powering it up again after 1 hour but yeah it'll consume somewhat less which is obvious. But still power usages in both use cases will be comparable.

There's a lot written about this in the past on HB and I've done some measurements myself. Unlike DaveC just posting a oneliner I did took the time to write down the math. So just calling someone stupid on results that have been tested and verrified before and not taking any effort in explaining why was just arrogant. That's my main point.

But if you want to bash someone who has done the math and has looked up the numbers versus someone who only posts a oneliner then be my guest but AFAIK that's not how we gather proper information.

Primacog wrote:The export gives a smaller shot quantity wise than the bigger spring levers, is that right? Also when it comes to lighter roasts, it would be difficult to change the temperature settings of its boiler and grouphead in teal time compare to hybrid levers.