Hello,

Looking to buy my first espresso machine and based on the information I found on this forum I narrowed it down to the next 4 models (I am not planning on customizing machine myself, so no self installation of PID) :
- Gaggia classic ($450)
- Lelit Anna ($630)
- Rancilio silvia ($660, there is a 10% discount at SCG)
- Crossland CC1 ($630, there is a 10% discount at SCG)
I am leaning towards Crossland CC1 due to built in PID and pre-infusion. I have no previous experience in making espresso myself and looking for a reliable machine that can serve for 2-3 years before I decide if I want to upgrade or if I am getting what is enough for me from an entry level machine. I will pair it with an entry level grinder at a price point of $250 - $300 depending on what I will find in stock / on sale. My weekly consumption is between 5 - 10 espresso shots and maybe 1 - 2 cappuccinos if I want something with milk (no sugar, no creamer if it makes a difference). I know that each machine has it own drawbacks, but would highly appreciate any suggestions for complete newbie.

Thanks!

Thanks for your comments luvmy40 and Jeff. I can afford BDB and a better grinder but at that point of time I don't know if I want it. My loss on entry level equipment will be no more than $400-$500 if I were to sell it which is comparable or less to a loss of a mid range prosumer set up. At this point I will probably get a better coffee than from a super automatic machine or my Bialetti Moka Pot. In regards to PID temperature control and standard sized components Crossland CC1 offers it all (58mm + PID). I don't mind taking a loss on a smaller initial investment, it's more about giving it a try and trying to understand what is the most consistent machine among entry level.

Forget the Anna (57mm pf) and the Gaggia (insides aren't what they used to be.) Buy the Crossland and try to spend more on the grinder; for some reason people upgrade their grinders far less than their machines, but all the machines you've listed can pull excellent shots given a decent grinder.

In my somewhat extensive experience shot quality between reasonably capable machines is far more affected by the grinder than the machines. Higher end machines do make things easier, but don't make up for inferior grinders.

Alan

I'd recommend the route I took in a similar position just under a year ago.

Get a used espresso machine that will make something drinkable... the Breville Duo Temp, for example. Try to find a used grinder that can last a machine upgrade. I went with a used but good condition Sette 270.

You might not like the hobby. I realized I did, recently upgraded to a Breville Dual Boiler.

Or just skip the first year if you're sure about it. The machines you listed will all leave you wanting more. Plus buying new, you're going to struggle selling them for much. Hence buy used.

P.S: If interested in my now retired Duo Temp, send me a PM. It's lightly used even as a second owner.

I'd spend more on getting a good grinder, as you'll make better espresso on an entry level or used machine with a good grinder than wih a low end. With that budget, electrics will be hard to come by though there are a few. Hand grinders like a lido 2 or e will make good espresso on most any machine for just under 200.

Then you could go with what you have listed or say something a step or so up from the used market a few years old from someone upgrading.

I have an Anna with the PID and a Sette 30 with the 270 micro adjust ring. I have used these items on a near daily basis for about 2 years and couldn't be happier. I have NOT been frustrated trying to make satisfying coffee NOR have I had the desire to buy expensive machines or a bunch or accessories. My experience so far with my basic equipment has actually convinced me that I never will even though I can afford it.

My needs are simple though. I do not make drinks for parties, just myself and my wife or an occasional friend. I don't make giant lattes, just espresso shots or small milk drinks. One thing that is not negotiable for me, I need a fast warm up. I do not use my machines at regular times. I want to come home for work, turn the machine on and make a shot in 10 minutes and then jump on my bike. I don't care for light roasted coffees except for an occasional diversion at a local coffee shop. I like Redbird, Peet's, Lavassa etc. I am happy with shots that are very good generally. I do not need perfection each time I make a coffee. I have not discarded shots since the initial week or 2 of learning to grind.

I fuss with the grind weight (get a scale) and find the timer on my Sette works great but I check it with a scale every few days and adjust time and grind accordingly. I use good non-scaling water. I keep my machines clean, inside and out.

My friends that do not have espresso machines as a hobby think I am actually quite mad at the fuss I have gone to and the money I have spent. While on this board I have been assured that I should be quite unhappy for owning "frustrating" and "entry level" equipment.

So there is my perspective. Of the machines you listed I can personally recommend the Anna. I also liked the Crossland when I was shopping. I have a friend with a Silvia and while I admire the robust build of that machine, temp control is something you will need to work with.

Someone mentioned The Lelit Victoria or a Silvano, I would consider those machines also if you wanted to stretch the budget a bit. Given your light milk steaming needs I can't see the point of spending more on a double boiler.

Quick mill Silvano and this https://www.wholelattelove.com/products ... ic-grinder




Randy