Ditting 807 Lab Sweet vs Mahlkonig E80 Supreme
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mreloc
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These two are very closely priced and in the past shared the same burrs (Peak generation). Attracted to the 807LS due to its performance with espresso and filtered, but if the E80 shares the same burr geometry shouldn't the performance (flavor profile) be about equal? The E80 offers a small hopper that may improve clearance issues and since it would be used in the home under a 22" shelf.
Which would you buy if primarily using for espresso with only rarely using for filtered? Would the retention of the E80 be much worse if using as a single dose grinder?
Which would you buy if primarily using for espresso with only rarely using for filtered? Would the retention of the E80 be much worse if using as a single dose grinder?
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drH
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I have no experience with either but was running through these same mental calculations. I was asking a vendor (who I won't name) about the relative use of the Ditting vs E80 since the burrs are the same. I wanted to know if he E80 was usable for filter and if single dosing made sense. This is part of the response (but note that the vendor didn't yet have access to the Ditting grinder and couldn't do a direct comparison):
Speaking of the E80-
"It CAN grind coarse enough for filter, but I wouldn't recommend it. The reason is because once you set it back to espresso, you'll need to dial in your grind again with small adjustments, so you'll most likely burn a few shots to get where you need to be. It's not that it can't be done, it's just not an ideal setup - that's totally up to you! Because of the retention and programming, it's also not great for single dosing. For single dosing, you'll want an upright, just like the dittings."
Despite that I have a relatively high retention grinder that I use for single dosing now and it's fine as long as I purge some beans. If you are doing only espresso I think the E80 would be awesome as long as you are Ok with some purging or using bellows. And for occasional filter grinds, it sounds doable.
Speaking of the E80-
"It CAN grind coarse enough for filter, but I wouldn't recommend it. The reason is because once you set it back to espresso, you'll need to dial in your grind again with small adjustments, so you'll most likely burn a few shots to get where you need to be. It's not that it can't be done, it's just not an ideal setup - that's totally up to you! Because of the retention and programming, it's also not great for single dosing. For single dosing, you'll want an upright, just like the dittings."
Despite that I have a relatively high retention grinder that I use for single dosing now and it's fine as long as I purge some beans. If you are doing only espresso I think the E80 would be awesome as long as you are Ok with some purging or using bellows. And for occasional filter grinds, it sounds doable.
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mreloc (original poster)
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[quote="drH"] it's also not great for single dosing. For single dosing, you'll want an upright, just like the dittings."/quote]
I'm surprised by this, given that even the grind chamber is the same as the 807 (from a post somewhere on here) even down to the silicone declumper. Also how is the E80 not an upright grinder?
I'm surprised by this, given that even the grind chamber is the same as the 807 (from a post somewhere on here) even down to the silicone declumper. Also how is the E80 not an upright grinder?
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erik82
The grind setting will be limited in range and the retention huge as all other commercial MK GOD grinders. You'll be wasting a ton of beans compared to the 807LS. But if you're looking for a good and very consistent GOD grinder for espresso you'll probably prefer it over the 807LS.
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drH
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mreloc wrote:
Yeah- I think it's yet to be explored properly. Maybe the exit path is longer? You may find with RDT and bellows it turns out to be minimal retention.
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drH
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mreloc wrote:These two are very closely priced and in the past shared the same burrs (Peak generation). Attracted to the 807LS due to its performance with espresso and filtered, but if the E80 shares the same burr geometry shouldn't the performance (flavor profile) be about equal? The E80 offers a small hopper that may improve clearance issues and since it would be used in the home under a 22" shelf.
Which would you buy if primarily using for espresso with only rarely using for filtered? Would the retention of the E80 be much worse if using as a single dose grinder?
By the way, which small hopper fits the E80?
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mreloc (original poster)
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This one: https://prima-coffee.com/parts/mahlkoni ... 0-%20partsdrH wrote: By the way, which small hopper fits the E80?
I wish Ditting would offer something similar for the 807.
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jb-0101
They actually dont run the same burrs. They look the almost same, but they are different prices, different model numbers, and the E80s don't have the numbers stamped on the front like the lab sweets do. I also read in another thread that maybe they use different metal, and that maybe the lab sweet is cast then machine finished but the E80 is just machined?
Not sure, and would love someone to do a comparison between the two (please someone do this!) - but they're definitely different burrs:
E80: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/mahl ... 9-mahlk-sp
Lab sweet: https://prima-coffee.com/parts/ditting/103993-ditti-sp
Not sure, and would love someone to do a comparison between the two (please someone do this!) - but they're definitely different burrs:
E80: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/mahl ... 9-mahlk-sp
Lab sweet: https://prima-coffee.com/parts/ditting/103993-ditti-sp
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hzollie88
This is correct. Same geometry, different manufacturing process. I'd assume the LS/Peak cast burrs cost more because their manufacturing process involves more steps = increased cost.
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