Budget below $3000 for double boiler espresso machine: What you got? - Page 2

Recommendations for espresso equipment buyers and upgraders.
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spressomon

Postby spressomon » Feb 07, 2019, 12:01 am

boomer28 wrote:Only reason I'm considering is it's in the $ range and seems like the profiling is basically a "free option" to have should I decide to go that route. I'm 100% I could be happy with an normal e61 setup but never say never I guess and I do see profiling as the next wave for prosumer models by all indications. The .8/1.5 boilers and a 1400 watt steam power is attractive from a pure specs perspective...


In case you haven't read the review: Lelit Bianca Review
No Espresso = Depresso

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Jake_G
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Postby Jake_G » Feb 07, 2019, 12:21 am

And don't forget the Lelit Bianca User Experience.

Cool feature of Bianca to shorten warm up time:
selmerfudd wrote:...
""If, after turning on the machine, the temperature is below 70°C, will start before, the heating (without pid control) of the coffee boiler until reaching the set-point of 130°C.
After that, will start the heating (without pid control) of the steam boiler until the programmed set point. (For the entire duration of the heating cycle, the display will shows the real temperature only if the TR:1 has been selected.)
This heating cycle, allows to reduce the time to reach the set-point temperature, and ensures the first coffee extraction at a proper brew temperature."""

Cheers!

- Jake

domi

Postby domi » Feb 07, 2019, 3:41 am

This appears to be from a Lelit manual:

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Could someone with a working command of the English syntax reformulate it (the part starting with "If, after") into something I can understand? What "will start..."? Thanks in advance!

DeGaulle

Postby DeGaulle » Feb 07, 2019, 4:34 am

domi wrote:This appears to be from a Lelit manual:

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Could someone with a working command of the English syntax reformulate it (the part starting with "If, after") into something I can understand? What "will start..."? Thanks in advance!


Seems they mean something like this:

"If after turning on the machine the temperature is below 70 degr C, it will start heating the coffee boiler first until the set point of 130 deg C (!) is reached" (It suggests that on cold start it works as if on an on/off thermostat set at 130 degC, ignoring the PID; this would mean a tremendous overshoot in the coffee boiler, but will increase the TS circulation rate and speed-up the heating process).
"After that it will start heating of the steam boiler until the programmed set point".
Bert

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another_jim
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Postby another_jim » Feb 07, 2019, 2:48 pm

Yep, that is how it works from a cold start; you're ready to go in about 20 minutes. Oddly enough; the longest warm up time on mine is if I've turned it off for about 2 hours; it shows the right boiler temperature in about 10 to 15 minutes, but it takes another 15 for the TS to get the group to temperature.

On the question as a whole: Lelit shows the identical machine without the needle valve on the website for a few hundred dollars less. Personally, that's the greatest bang for the buck ever; but I'm coming to this from a lever machine, with a taste for the highly extracted, lighter bodied shots they give. I've just come from an interesting post that suggests if you're a fan of monster bodied triple basket ristrettos, the whole E61 route may not be optimal (a rotary La Spaziale or Dela Corte DB may be a better option)
Jim Schulman

domi

Postby domi » Feb 07, 2019, 3:04 pm

DeGaulle wrote:Seems they mean something like this:

"If after turning on the machine the temperature is below 70 degr C, it will start heating the coffee boiler first until the set point of 130 deg C (!) is reached" (It suggests that on cold start it works as if on an on/off thermostat set at 130 degC, ignoring the PID; this would mean a tremendous overshoot in the coffee boiler, but will increase the TS circulation rate and speed-up the heating process).
"After that it will start heating of the steam boiler until the programmed set point".

Thanks, Bert! It now starts to make much more sense to me!

domi

Postby domi » Feb 07, 2019, 3:36 pm

another_jim wrote:Lelit shows the identical machine without the needle valve on the website for a few hundred dollars less.

What website would that be? Presumably the site of a US distributor (dollar pricing)?

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another_jim
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Postby another_jim » Feb 07, 2019, 5:10 pm

Oops, brainfart. I conflated Lelit's E61 HX offering with the least expensive E61 DBs with rotary pump I could find. Those run around $2600. In any case, the marginal cost of the needle valve is a few hundred dollars at most.
Jim Schulman

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sweaner

Postby sweaner » Feb 07, 2019, 9:45 pm

boomer28 wrote:Only reason I'm considering is it's in the $ range and seems like the profiling is basically a "free option" to have should I decide to go that route. I'm 100% I could be happy with a normal e61 setup


I am 100% sure that you will be thankful that you got the profiling ability.
The Bianca is a wonderful machine.
Scott
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boomer28

Postby boomer28 » replying to sweaner » Feb 07, 2019, 10:05 pm

Yea for the price it again seems like the way to go. Left alone it's a great double boiler machine with plenty of steam power...going down the rabbit hole of research now...