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Postby srossnz on Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:28 pm

ok more experimenting, took the PID to 99 and got what seemed a nice looking crema, nowhere near the nastiness as before. Milk drink was 'ok' but slightly bitter which iirc means shot was possibly too hot. Maybe I need to take the pid to 98-97 hmm
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Postby JmanEspresso on Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:49 pm

The picture shows, what I believe to be too fresh coffee.

Usually when I get my coffee, its anywhere from 2-4days post roast. Now, I usually open and start using the coffee on day 4, but I dont expect great results yet. Depending on the coffee, anywhere from days 6-10 will show much better results.

And, as Jim noted, 2oz in 22 seconds is pretty quick. Pull tighter shots to get yourself comfortable. Try going for 1.5-1.75oz in 30-35seconds.
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Postby fwtechwiz on Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:17 pm

Oh, definitely 99C is too hot still. Go down to about 96. No lower than 93 I would think.
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Postby srossnz on Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:22 am

I was under the understanding that the PID sensor on top of the boiler was like 5c off. I guess it can't hurt to pull one at like 95 and see what happens
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Postby cafeIKE on Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:45 pm

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Postby Peppersass on Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:44 am

another_jim wrote:As a beginner, you should start with ristretto shots; they are more fault tolerant.

Jim, why are ristretto shots more fault tolerant? Is it because they're less likely to be overextracted, or is the finer grind more resistant to channeling? Another reason?
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Postby another_jim on Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:28 am

Peppersass wrote:Jim, why are ristretto shots more fault tolerant? Is it because they're less likely to be overextracted, or is the finer grind more resistant to channeling? Another reason?


Ristretto shots were a hallmark of early high end US espresso. After the almost inevitable four ounce cup of swill you got at most places, a ristretto from Vivace or any of the other top places fifteen years ago was a revelation. In those days, everyone who wanted to make good shots tended towards ristretto. It was part of the same formula as high doses and high temperatures, a part of practice codified by Schomer. At its best, you got a buttery, heavy bodied, chocolate and sherry truffle of a shot; at its worst, it was oily, thin, bitter and cutting.

About five years ago, Mark Prince posted an article claiming that ristretto shots were a crutch, that normal flow shots had a wider and subtler range of flavors, but that they were much harder to pull. This was the one of the first milestones in the trend in US espresso towards a much wider range of practice. Nowadays, people change flow, dose and temperature as a matter of course. This in turn as greatly extended the palette of coffees used for espresso.

But for a beginner, an easy and bulletproof technique is a good thing; while being able to pull exotic single origins isn't at the top of the priority list. Lower doses, ristretto flow rates, and medium temperatures make for the easiest, most fault tolerant to prep shots. Using a naked PF, it should only take a few months of making these easier shots for ones technique to become consistent enough to take on the full range of shot making. On the other hand, if you start with regular flows, high doses and no naked portafilter, you'll still be wondering in three years time why no two shots ever taste the same.
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Postby Peppersass on Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:33 am

Thanks, Jim. Very interesting. I have some thoughts on this subject that I'll put in a new thread.
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