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"Vegetable" or "Beefy" Flavors

Postby brokemusician77 on Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:04 pm

It may be that my palate is still developing, but sometimes my espresso a flavor that's almost like beef broth, like theres a bit of salt in there somewhere.

Most recently, I've been using a batch of beans picked-up for me by a friend. It started off really nice, but I've detected an "onion" or "vegetable" aftertaste. The first day, I thought it was the rosemary my wife was drying in the oven. That's all done now, but I'm still tasting this.

I remember reading something about these flavors in another thread, but can't remember if there was anything approaching a consensus as to the cause.

Realizing that the beefy flavors, and the vegetable flavors are two separate issues, are these flavors an indication of flawed technique, flawed roast, bad water or something altogether different? I'm pretty sure the vegetable flavors can be attributed to the current batch of coffee, and that they're just coming to the forefront as the coffee ages.

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Postby another_jim on Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:02 pm

Fragrant and sweet vegetable flavors like basil or snow peas are sometimes dominant in Southeast Asian coffees, and can be a part of a complex Kenya. If it tastes like sauerkraut, it's ferment. An interesting note of savory broth can be found both in very good Kenyas and PNGs. If it tastes like hot dog water, it's ferment.

Specific flavors like this are in the bean; whereas an overall bias in the taste is usually caused by roasting faults. Light or medium roasts that tastes overly salty and acrid are usually caused by overlong drying at the start of the roast, or to an overloaded drum that overheats and still finishes the roast too slowly.
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Postby cannonfodder on Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:20 pm

I once had a coffee from a Clover brewer that tasted of beef stew, bothy, vegetable, heavy stock mouth-feel. I think it was a PNG, but dont recall. There can be a fine line between a vegetable note and ferment.
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Postby another_jim on Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:28 pm

cannonfodder wrote:I once had a coffee from a Clover brewer that tasted of beef stew, bothy, vegetable, heavy stock mouth-feel. I think it was a PNG, but dont recall. There can be a fine line between a vegetable note and ferment.


I think if you like it; it's a real flavor, and if you don't, it's ferment.
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:27 am

I remember getting a cup of bacon-juice once. I can't remember what the beans were, whether I roasted them (badly or not). It was alarming and... strangely pleasant, in an unusual way.
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Postby Psyd on Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:03 pm

I had one that could only be described as 'pork'. Good, grilled pork, but undeniably pork.
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Postby brokemusician77 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:52 pm

It seems from your comments that it's safe to say that, at least this time, the problem is not on my technique or my equipment. "whew!"
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Postby hbuchtel on Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:34 am

I just had an experience that reminded me of this thread - when smelling a freshly ground Nicaraguan coffee my first thought was 'beef stew', but upon reflection, I realized it was really the spices/herbs in this particular olfactory memory that the coffee was reminding me of.

When you all say 'beefy' flavor do you think it could be more a certain aspect of a beef dish then the beef itself?

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Postby another_jim on Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:09 am

I've been drinking Intelly's Kenya Thiriku, which has this characteristic brothy, demi-glace flavor. You can resolve it down to the effect of phosphoric acid, along with a powerful savory/umami note which doesn't have a lot of attached flavors (glutamate in coffee?), then add heavy mouthfeel, sweetness, and some clove flavors. these are all taste elements one gets in different proportions in many Kenya coffees, but it's interesting when they come together to create the broth-like impression.
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