Tamping Twaddle - Page 2
- TimEggers
- Posts: 804
- Joined: 18 years ago
Like others I employ a simple consistent tamp before pulling the shot and in my opinion everything else is show. About the only thing I do worry about is grounds on the rim of the basket (where it contacts the head gasket) but a quick sweep with a finger and its right into the group for me.
Tim Eggers
LMWDP #202
LMWDP #202
- RapidCoffee
- Team HB
- Posts: 5017
- Joined: 18 years ago
Seems like a worthwhile test. I don't have a 53mm tamper, so I used my 51mm Gaggia Factory tamper. Dunno about the quality of my tamping skills. I gave one firm level tamp with no tapping or polishing, and brushed off extra grinds with my finger before taking pix and pulling the shots.HB wrote:A couple years ago I spoke to one of the engineers at MACAP manning the booth at the SCAA conference. I asked him why they didn't make a 58mm piston for their auto-tamper. He claimed it didn't matter, that an even consistent tamp applied dead center with a 53mm piston for a 58mm basket would not improve if one used a 58mm piston. I didn't buy his argument, but said I'd give it a try (never did). Anyone with very good tamping skills and a 53mm tamper/58mm basket want to test his assertion?
Although I've long been an advocate for deemphasizing the importance of tamping, I expected to see some shot degradation with the smaller piston (most likely a donut extraction).
51mm piston above, 58mm below
As luck would have it, the pictures actually captured a prettier pour from the 51mm piston. That pour was a bit too fast, on the lungo side (perhaps should have expected that). But no spritzies, donuts, or other evidence of an uneven extraction.
Granted, my Vetrano is a highly forgiving E61 machine. But I believe Ian's got it right. Grind, dose and distribution are far more important than tamp for great espresso.
John
- cafeIKE (original poster)
- Posts: 4716
- Joined: 18 years ago
I cut my home espresso teeth on a Solis SL-90*, a class similar to Silvia and a PeDe hand grinder. The Solis comes with a built in tamper next to the group. A 'heavy' tamp will lift the under 20# machine. My first tamper was double ended [pot metal?] thingy that had one end too large and one end too small for the ??mm basket that I happened to espy in a kitchen shop. About the only difference between the built in and the too small end was ease of cleaning. Years later, I turned the too big end to a perfect fit after learning about tapping & twirling.Randy G. wrote:...I would also theorize that it depends on the espresso machine. Some have such a strong and directed flow and quick ramp up to brewing force that the coffee has no chance to settle as it would on a more 'advanced' design... re: comparing Silvia to VBM.
The reason I quit lurking on H-B was to participate in the Tamper Road Show :
cafeIKE wrote:Bottom Line:
My complete unfamiliarity with convex tampers, which probably require a complete rethink on GDT, prevented me getting a good shot with the Radical Pro. Perhaps the profile is poor match to the VBM. Other than that, I'm certain a few days use of any of the tampers which feel comfortable in the hand would yield a consistent pull. I'm confident that if I'd started with any one of them, I'd be perfectly happy. I do like the feel of the snug basket fit of the Pullman, so perhaps I'll wrap a layer or two of duct tape around my tamper. Recommendations on best color tape for espresso greatly appreciated.
* Never used the pressurized baskets, not once.
Ian's Coffee Stuff
http://www.ieLogical.com/coffee
http://www.ieLogical.com/coffee
-
- Posts: 10
- Joined: 17 years ago
I did try exactly that: wrapping tape around my tamper.
The result was an air-tight fit, very nice to tamp with, but with a BIG downside: when removing the tamper from the basket, it would lift the coffee and ruin the tamp because of the vacuum created by the tamper. At first I couldn't figure out why the perfect fit seemed to ruin my shots, but I found the cause by turning over the portafilter: the coffee fell out right away.
The result was an air-tight fit, very nice to tamp with, but with a BIG downside: when removing the tamper from the basket, it would lift the coffee and ruin the tamp because of the vacuum created by the tamper. At first I couldn't figure out why the perfect fit seemed to ruin my shots, but I found the cause by turning over the portafilter: the coffee fell out right away.
-
- Posts: 33
- Joined: 17 years ago
I got the same problem, when I decided to upsize my piston. Before ordering, I wrapped foil-backed gift tape around my 57/53mm double-ender. With a caliper, I found that 59mm jambed into the basket taper, for a 15g dose. 58.5mm gave a snug fit, but lifted the coffee pack, on piston removal.by Gabelstaplerfahrer on Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:05 am
I did try exactly that: wrapping tape around my tamper.
The result was an air-tight fit, very nice to tamp with, but with a BIG downside: when removing the tamper from the basket, it would lift the coffee and ruin the tamp because of the vacuum created by the tamper.
58mm was ideal, giving a small gap for air escape. I suspect this suction problem is more prevalent with dark roasts (I take mine to rolling 2C), so the grinds are a bit oily. It may not be an issue with medium roasts, where the grinds (perhaps) breathe more.
-
- Posts: 10
- Joined: 17 years ago
I had this problem with very dry, hard to tamp coffee. Strangely enough it wasn't old, but a very fresh, light roast. I really felt like "I've cracked it, this is a great tamp!" and... it was ruined.
Maybe a snug fit isn't a problem or it might even be desirable, but the tamper should get a little dimple on the side to let air through. Or an air channel in the middle, something weird like that would be cool to explain to fellow coffee enthusiasts
Maybe a snug fit isn't a problem or it might even be desirable, but the tamper should get a little dimple on the side to let air through. Or an air channel in the middle, something weird like that would be cool to explain to fellow coffee enthusiasts