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Postby miKe mcKoffee on Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:01 pm

SinkShot wrote:OK, you got me on this one. What is a Panama Geisha Americano?

Panama Gesha is Gesha Cultivar (longberry, Ethiopia-related), also (incorrectly) spelled Geisha. Panama Gesha Americano is an Americano made with shots pulled from Panama Gesha!
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Postby miKe mcKoffee on Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:10 pm

randomperson wrote:Yikes I could never build so many drinks at once -- I'd have to be hospitalized! Happily I am of the generation where everybody wants alcohol, all the time!

Never say never! Shot building really becomes second nature with practice. Probably only pulled 40 or so shots during the course of the day myself. Had to also have time to finish grill with a Mango Chipolte glaze Bruce's brined and peach/cherry smoked chicken, mesquite grill a couple big loaves of EVOO/butter/garlic drenched french bread and mesquite grill my Londrol Broil marinated sirloin kabobs I built with 'shrooms & sweet onions for dinner. We did serve various wines with dinner. :wink:
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Postby randomperson on Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:38 pm

Now I am so hungry I could just die. I wonder how many of us espresso fanatics are also foodies/serious home chefs? I bet there is a high correlation coefficient!

In any case the analytical side of me (damn that side!) wants to know this: I know there must be a pace at which you outrun the machine, in which case successive shots will be too cool/sour, so definitely no additional flushing is required. However, assuming that few of us mortals can make shots at a pace that could outrun our machines, does that mean there is always some kind of flush involved between consecutive shots? I've broached this subject a few different times because I was always under the impression that once you were making several shots at a time -- assuming you are portafilter wiggle-rinsing immediately after each shot -- an additional flush, even a short one, probably wouldn't be necessary. In practice I know a couple of people who don't flush at all between successive shots, as long as their shots are pulled within five minutes of each other. For myself, I've gone in both directions and haven't quite decided which approach is best. I must be using a forgiving bean! (Then again, maybe not: Terroir Southern Italian Daterra.)
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Postby k7qz on Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:58 am

Like many, I like to do the wiggle-rinse routine between each shot. The problem is, if I got too carried away rinsing when pulling consecutive shots, then I ended up over-cooling the grouphead.

As I'm using a bottomless PF exclusively, I keep a blind disk on the single basket handle that came with my machine as my official wiggle-rinse tool. What I used to do was to pull the lever on my machine and let the blind basket fill up with water from the grouphead as I wiggled. This took 3 or 4 seconds of water usage and tended to over-cool the group when pulling one shot after another (pretty easy to do as confirmed by my Scace).

One day I filled up the blind basket with steaming water from the hot water tap and used it for my wiggle rinse. Even if I wanted to throw the lever to run a little water through the group to do a more thorough job, it only took a second or less of water flow to accomplish the task. Problem solved, no more over-cooling with rapid fire shots!

Might be something to try if you're in the rinse between each shot camp-
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Postby LeoZ on Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:03 am

i didnt realize how hard this would be until this weekend. after dinner i made 2 capps and 6 espressos. granted its not a lot, but the biggest problem, and i think its just that i need to lose this mindset, is that its impossible for everyone to enjoy their coffee at once. obviously, that isnt the intent with espresso, i had to remind myself that its an individual thing, for each to enjoy one by one. stinks when you want cake and coffee; i guess the coffee cant be espresso. :?

i was disappointed with the triple basket. i was hoping it would fit into a 2 spout pf so i can give my family generous shots. they come from the moka pot mentality, so like their coffee to be bountiful! that didnt work. i guess i could have made a triple into something bigger and poured it into 2 cups, but that seemed wrong. so, i basically just did doubles with a bit more course grind, so they could all have their 'full cups' of coffee, and a naked pour for me at the end. it was a bit bitter, but i think i was over my head by then :p

i started with the capps, and they came along the best, probably b/c i made and served those one at a time..

grinding slows things down too. granted its only 20 seconds per cup, but thats another 20 seconds each time. if i wasnt using different beans for everyone, i think i would have ground all at once.

having a 2nd double basket is prolly a good investment too..
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Postby Ken Fox on Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:09 am

SinkShot wrote:OK, how to deal with consecutive shots? Do you rinse/clean the PF and grouphead with a blank shot before each real pull? I assume this is necessary to clean out previous coffee oils and to heat up the PF again as well, yes? Does anyone have any tips on how to manage a "higher-than-normal" workflow when 8 - 12 people want an espresso? Rinsing and re-heating the PF seems to slow things down quite a bit, at least for me. Obviosuly, I am an amateur home user. Thanks for any tips.


I do my best to piss people off, so few return to my house for a second visit. As a result, I can reduce the demand for consecutive shots to a manageable level, like 2 or 3.

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I just don't find that I have to pull more than a couple or 4 shots in succession, ever. When people come over during the day it is usually onesies and twosies, and in the evening people seem to be much more interested in drinking wine than in drinking coffee. This may be more of a reflection of what's in my wine cellar than anything else.
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Postby randomperson on Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:31 pm

Ken Fox wrote:I do my best to piss people off, so few return to my house for a second visit. As a result, I can reduce the demand for consecutive shots to a manageable level, like 2 or 3.

ken
:mrgreen:

I just don't find that I have to pull more than a couple or 4 shots in succession, ever. When people come over during the day it is usually onesies and twosies, and in the evening people seem to be much more interested in drinking wine than in drinking coffee. This may be more of a reflection of what's in my wine cellar than anything else.


:lol:

Ken, you and I were separated at birth -- or at least, we know the same people!
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Postby popeye on Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:05 am

I've decided to supplement my machine with a vac pot for those dinners... Unfortunately even a 5 cup Hario Nouveau is still only 20oz, so i guess i have to make myself a cap. But i think it gives a good show and makes good coffee, and will help me reduce my time at the machine to a managable number of lattes for those who really want them.
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Postby zin1953 on Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:23 pm

HB wrote:I have never seen the word "Versalab" and "affordable" used in the same sentence. :lol:

Heck, they make LM's look reasonable! :shock:
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Postby John P on Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:57 pm

Grind, dose, distribute, tamp,
insert portafilter, turn on brew group,
watch pretty espresso, turn off brew group,
quickly rinse and dry portafilter.

Repeat.

Repeat again.

Curse at b***ard who wants decaf. cross fingers for excellent crema...
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