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Premature Blonding

Postby MUTTS on Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:03 am

Aloha. Looking for some advice on naked portafilter extraction. Been using Silvia and Rocky for a fair amount of time and have time and volume pretty much dialed in with a 16g double. Coffee is fresh roasted weekly. Given these variables and a modified WDT with 30-40 lb tamp, my shots start out pretty but I still get blonding and then spitting halfway (15 sec) through the shot. I thought that the most likely explanation at this point might be high brew pressure and I've been progressively backing out the OPV spring. I'm at 2/3 of a turn and the shots definitely taste better but the blonding and spitting continue. I'm wondering :?: I use a Synesso double basket with the 16g shot but after tamp, there is quite a bit of headroom left between the puck and the shower screen. Would basket depth potentially be a factor ?
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Postby HB on Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:34 am

MUTTS wrote:...my shots start out pretty but I still get blonding and then spitting halfway (15 sec) through the shot.

How's the espresso taste? Can you post a video (instructions)? Do any of the descriptions/recommendations from the previous discussions match your circumstances?

MUTTS wrote:I use a Synesso double basket with the 16g shot but after tamp, there is quite a bit of headroom left between the puck and the shower screen. Would basket depth potentially be a factor ?

Generally speaking, most espresso machines appreciate the added headspace. From all accounts, the Rancilio Silvia more than most... so it's not the basket.
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Postby MUTTS on Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:18 pm

Mahalo Dan. So I took the blonding poll and I guess I failed miserably - if I were to cut off my double shot at the approximate time that most voters recommend, I think I would get no more than 1.25 oz and the shot time would be quite short (15-18s). Will take some video over the next couple of days (also I apologize - i should have searched and posted under the same post from august). Shots have been tasting better since dialing down the pressure - less frequently sour.
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Postby skioutwest on Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:00 am

How old is your setup and when was the last time you replaced your Rocky Burrs? I had this same problem, then got new burrs and viola!!

The Rocky burrs do not seem to last very long....I needed to change mine every 12-16 months when I had it.

One way to tell if they need to be replaced is if you keep having to dial the grinder lower than when new...

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Postby HB on Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:25 am

Good point! Rocky burrs wear out more quickly than some owners think. See How to know grinder burrs are worn out? for more symptoms. While he's there, apply the thread slop fix.
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Postby mitch236 on Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:50 am

I'm not sure if this will help but here's what I did when I complained of my shots blonding early. I reduced the shot dose to 14gm (and I used a scale to weigh every shot which I still do). Reading a post by another_jim, I was inspired to try dosing 14gm and found less channeling, better consistent shots.
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Postby MUTTS on Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:23 am

Thanks everyone - my burrs are indeed likely worn - although when I dial the grind down one more notch I can produce close to 2 oz in 30 secs but the blonding doesn't seem to happen less quickly. Will replace and re-evaluate as well as play with lower dose (and slop fix). I note that my shots seem to take 10-20 secs to settle and then form quite a layer of crema (kind of like watching a freshly drawn Guinness) so I think that I may still need to back down the brew pressure a little more. Also I typically roast 3-4 days before drinking. Is it possible a longer wait period would yield less quick blonding ?
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Postby cafeIKE on Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:21 am

MUTTS wrote:Also I typically roast 3-4 days before drinking.

Try a quality, known good espresso roast.
No offense, but maybe your home roast is the problem.
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Postby MUTTS on Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:29 pm

No offense taken. Will start looking around the web - Kona coffee may have a good repuation but not so much about quality Hawaiian espresso. 8)
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